Eisenbahn-Batterie Gneisenau
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Thank you very much Bettika
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Below are some excerpts of the “Kriegstagebuch der Seekriegsleitung” from the translation by the Allies after the war in "War diary: German naval staff (operations division)(1948). 15 Aug -30 Sept 1939 (Vol. 51)". It is interesting to note that the battery was temporarily transferred to the Army !
15 Aug [1939]
Operation "Weiss" (War against Poland),
The following measures were carried out up to 15 Aug. 1939 in preparation for Operation "Weiss":
[…]
2. 1 Aug. 39 : Setting up of railroad Battery "Gneisenau" in the area of Pillau (ready for action from 15 Aug.)
24 Sept.[1939]
The railway battery "Gneisenau" will be handed back to the Navy by the Army. Group Baltic intends to use
it against Hela. Transports are intended by the ferry DEUTSCHLAND as the Dirschau bridge is not yet
restored.
28 Sept [1939]
The Polish garrison on Hela has been asked to surrender, and lay down arms after 29 Sept. at 1000; so far
no answer received. The attack against Hela is to begin on about 2 or 3 Oct. after the arrival of the
railway battery "Gneisenau". A naval assault company and signal sections of the Navy are made available
for this operation.
Emmanuel
15 Aug [1939]
Operation "Weiss" (War against Poland),
The following measures were carried out up to 15 Aug. 1939 in preparation for Operation "Weiss":
[…]
2. 1 Aug. 39 : Setting up of railroad Battery "Gneisenau" in the area of Pillau (ready for action from 15 Aug.)
24 Sept.[1939]
The railway battery "Gneisenau" will be handed back to the Navy by the Army. Group Baltic intends to use
it against Hela. Transports are intended by the ferry DEUTSCHLAND as the Dirschau bridge is not yet
restored.
28 Sept [1939]
The Polish garrison on Hela has been asked to surrender, and lay down arms after 29 Sept. at 1000; so far
no answer received. The attack against Hela is to begin on about 2 or 3 Oct. after the arrival of the
railway battery "Gneisenau". A naval assault company and signal sections of the Navy are made available
for this operation.
Emmanuel
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Re: Eisenbahn-Batterie Gneisenau
Hi!
I found two notes about "Gneisenau" and what happened to the
battery after its use in the east and the use in Holland.
It seems, it was transfered from Pillau to Cuxhaven...
1st Dec 1940 3rd Dec 1940 Best wishes
Rolf
I found two notes about "Gneisenau" and what happened to the
battery after its use in the east and the use in Holland.
It seems, it was transfered from Pillau to Cuxhaven...
1st Dec 1940 3rd Dec 1940 Best wishes
Rolf
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Hi!
Best wishes
Rolf
I'm very sorry, but in the last post it must be 1939 (!!!), not 1940...nordfriese wrote: 1st Dec 1940
3rd Dec 1940
Best wishes
Rolf
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That fits better Rolf
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Hi!
From KTB Ugruko Rendsburg - MFlakA 231:
11.3.40 1625 "Eintreffen E-Batterie "Gneisenau". Batterieführer Leutnant M.A. Lieser, 1 Assistenzarzt, 184 Mann.
Batterie wird auf Nebengleise Bahnhof Osterrönfeld abgestellt."
It's the only time the battery was mentioned in the KTB. Maybe a short trip direction Denmark "just in case"?
Best wishes
Rolf
From KTB Ugruko Rendsburg - MFlakA 231:
11.3.40 1625 "Eintreffen E-Batterie "Gneisenau". Batterieführer Leutnant M.A. Lieser, 1 Assistenzarzt, 184 Mann.
Batterie wird auf Nebengleise Bahnhof Osterrönfeld abgestellt."
It's the only time the battery was mentioned in the KTB. Maybe a short trip direction Denmark "just in case"?
Best wishes
Rolf
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For a short time the B. Gneisenau (E) was also located near Dives, between Pas de Calais and Sete.
Nara (Mo)
Nara (Mo)
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Thanks Jos. Dives is in Calvados, Normandy. We knew that E-Bttr Gneisenau was positioned near Houlgate, west of Btt. 3/510 in a German map of July 1942.jopaerya wrote:For a short time the B. Gneisenau (E) was also located near Dives, between Pas de Calais and Sete.
Nara (Mo)
There is still a railroad today that ends at the Dives-Cabourg train station. It is visible on Google map.
Here is a postcard from the early 20th century showing the railroad near the Dives river with the station (end of the line) in the background.
Emmanuel
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Thanks to Mori, I found a new location of the B. Gniesenau (E) near the Spanisch border.
It was from around 25-03-1941 till at least 02-04-1942 ( NARA )
Regards Jos
It was from around 25-03-1941 till at least 02-04-1942 ( NARA )
Regards Jos
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Made a list from what we have found so far, as allways any corrections or additions are very welcome.
28-09-1939 = Pillau
01-10-1939 = near Hela
01-12-1939 = Cuxhaven
00-06-1940 = Holland ( IJmuiden en Hoek van Holland )
00-07-1940 = Calais
00-08-1940 = near Cherbourg
00-10-1940 = Pointe de Oies ( Pas de Calais )
25-03-1941 = St Jean de Luz
29-06-1942 = Dives ( Normandy )
16-11-1942 = Sete ( Südwall )
03-06-1944 = Uzes ( Nimes )
P.S. Thanks Emmanuel
28-09-1939 = Pillau
01-10-1939 = near Hela
01-12-1939 = Cuxhaven
00-06-1940 = Holland ( IJmuiden en Hoek van Holland )
00-07-1940 = Calais
00-08-1940 = near Cherbourg
00-10-1940 = Pointe de Oies ( Pas de Calais )
25-03-1941 = St Jean de Luz
29-06-1942 = Dives ( Normandy )
16-11-1942 = Sete ( Südwall )
03-06-1944 = Uzes ( Nimes )
P.S. Thanks Emmanuel
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A few more dates:
Kriegstagebuch des Küstenbefehlshabers Nordfriesland
3.12.1939
E.-Batterie "Gneisenau" Cuxhaven Hauptbahnhof eingetroffen. Verbleibt bis auf weiteres dort. Unterstellung unter Kommandant im Abschnitt Cuxhaven, verwaltungsmässig 4. Ersatz M.A.A. (Gemeldet an Nord, Gruppe West, O.K.M.)
31.12.1939
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5.) Für die E-Batterie Gneisenau wurde von Transport-Kommandantur Hamburg sofortige Bremsprüfung in Hamburg verlangt. O.K.M. hat Genehmigung dazu erteilt. Batterie Gneisenau rollt am 1.1.40 um 2200 nah Hamburg ab.
8.3.1940 (s. 67)
Gem. Bef.Gr.West Gkdos 0885 vom 8.3.4.0: 17 10 Uhr ist die E.-Batterie "Gneisenau" umgehend und vollständig nach Rendsburg zu verlegen.
9.3.1940 (s. 68)
E.-Batterie "Gneisenau" 1800 Uhr abmarschbereit.
11.3.1940 (s. 70)
Um 0855 Uhr umd 0930 Uhr: E.-Batterie "Gneisenau" in zwei Zügen ab Cuxhaven nach Rendsburg.
Kriegstagebuch des Küstenbefehlshabers Nordfriesland
3.12.1939
E.-Batterie "Gneisenau" Cuxhaven Hauptbahnhof eingetroffen. Verbleibt bis auf weiteres dort. Unterstellung unter Kommandant im Abschnitt Cuxhaven, verwaltungsmässig 4. Ersatz M.A.A. (Gemeldet an Nord, Gruppe West, O.K.M.)
31.12.1939
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5.) Für die E-Batterie Gneisenau wurde von Transport-Kommandantur Hamburg sofortige Bremsprüfung in Hamburg verlangt. O.K.M. hat Genehmigung dazu erteilt. Batterie Gneisenau rollt am 1.1.40 um 2200 nah Hamburg ab.
8.3.1940 (s. 67)
Gem. Bef.Gr.West Gkdos 0885 vom 8.3.4.0: 17 10 Uhr ist die E.-Batterie "Gneisenau" umgehend und vollständig nach Rendsburg zu verlegen.
9.3.1940 (s. 68)
E.-Batterie "Gneisenau" 1800 Uhr abmarschbereit.
11.3.1940 (s. 70)
Um 0855 Uhr umd 0930 Uhr: E.-Batterie "Gneisenau" in zwei Zügen ab Cuxhaven nach Rendsburg.
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KTB Seekommandant Normandie
22.7.1940
Eintreffen der Batterie "Gneisenau" Meldung des Batterieschefs beim Seekommandant Normandie.
23.7.1940
Batterie "Gneisenau" meldet feuerbereit.
24.7.1940
Einschiessen Batterie "Gneisenau"
9.9.1940
Batterie "Gneisenau" rückt mit sämtlichen Geschützen ab und scheidet aus dem Bereich des Sekommandanten Cherbourg aus.
22.7.1940
Eintreffen der Batterie "Gneisenau" Meldung des Batterieschefs beim Seekommandant Normandie.
23.7.1940
Batterie "Gneisenau" meldet feuerbereit.
24.7.1940
Einschiessen Batterie "Gneisenau"
9.9.1940
Batterie "Gneisenau" rückt mit sämtlichen Geschützen ab und scheidet aus dem Bereich des Sekommandanten Cherbourg aus.
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PG 38538 - Marbef. Kanalküste, Seezielartillerie 1.6.-31.12.40 (= T-1022 R-2268)
Marbef. Kanalküste Gkdos 105 A II v. 10.8.40
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G) Schiesstellung Gneisenau fünfzehnten August fertiggestellt.
Mar.Befh. Kanalkueste GKdos 160 A II gKdos. v. 16.8.40
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G) Schieszgleis fuer Gneisenau fertig.-
OKM A I 1973 Gkdos v. 16.8.40
Einsatzort fuer Batterie "Gneisenau" bleibt Boulogne. Batterie "Gneisenau" nach Herstellung Schiezbereitschaft Batterie "Hamburg" umgehend nach Boulogne in Marsch setzen. ...
Adm.Frankreich A II 3646 Gkdos 29.11.40
Verlegung Battr. "Gneisenau" in naechsten Zeit zu erwarten. Battr. sofort in Marsch nach Royan, Meldung bei Marbef. Westfrankreich am 30/11.
Marbef. Kanalküste Gkdos 105 A II v. 10.8.40
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G) Schiesstellung Gneisenau fünfzehnten August fertiggestellt.
Mar.Befh. Kanalkueste GKdos 160 A II gKdos. v. 16.8.40
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G) Schieszgleis fuer Gneisenau fertig.-
OKM A I 1973 Gkdos v. 16.8.40
Einsatzort fuer Batterie "Gneisenau" bleibt Boulogne. Batterie "Gneisenau" nach Herstellung Schiezbereitschaft Batterie "Hamburg" umgehend nach Boulogne in Marsch setzen. ...
Adm.Frankreich A II 3646 Gkdos 29.11.40
Verlegung Battr. "Gneisenau" in naechsten Zeit zu erwarten. Battr. sofort in Marsch nach Royan, Meldung bei Marbef. Westfrankreich am 30/11.
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Thank you very much Jens
Great data and a new location Royan ( 30-11-1940 )
Regards Jos
Great data and a new location Royan ( 30-11-1940 )
Regards Jos
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Approximate location around Pointe Ste-Barbe near St-Jean-de-Luz where Bttr. Gneisenau was stationed around March 1941 based on the map posted by Jos above:
A view of the railroad along the coast at Pointe Ste Barbe: A view of the golf course just north of the position (see map).
History of this golf course which was actually shut down in 1934:
https://paysbasqueavant.blogspot.com/20 ... -1900.html Emmanuel
Some old views around this location:A view of the railroad along the coast at Pointe Ste Barbe: A view of the golf course just north of the position (see map).
History of this golf course which was actually shut down in 1934:
https://paysbasqueavant.blogspot.com/20 ... -1900.html Emmanuel