Sockellafetten Sk-L

jopaerya · Post by **jopaerya** » 28 Aug 2005 20:13

Hello All

From books and German info I made this,
if you got more or better info pleace share it.

Sockellafette Ia für 5 cm K.w.K.39/1

Sockellafette Ib für 5 cm K.w.K.39

Sockellafette Ic für 5 cm K.w.K.39, 5 cm K.w.K. 39/1, 5 cm K.w.K. 40 and
7,5 cm K.w.K.51, 7,5 cm K.w.K.67, 7,5 cm K.w.K.68

Sockellafette Id für 7,5 cm K.w.K.67

Sockellafette IIa für 8,8 cm K.w.K.43

Sockellafette III für 7,5 cm K.w.K.42

mittl. Sockellafette IV 16 to für 10,5 cm K 331 (f)and K 338 (i), 10,5 cm K 332 (f), 10,5 cm K 335 (h),
10,5 cm K 29 (p), 10,5 cm K 35 (t), 10 cm K 17/04, 10 cm K 18 , 10,7 cm K 352 (r), 11,4 cm K 365 (e),
12 cm K 370 (b), 15,5 sFH 414 (f), 15,5 cm sFH 17 (p).

Sockellafette V ??????

schwere Sockellafette VI 32 to für 12,2 cm K 390/2 (r), 14,5 cm K 405 (f), 15 cm K 16, 15 cm K 18,
15 cm K 15/16 (t), 15,2 cm sFH 433/1 (r), 15,5 cm K 416 (f), 15,5 cm K 418 (f) , 15,5 cm K 420 (f)
15,5 cm K 425 (f), 15,5 cm K 432 (b).

schwerste Sockellafette VIII für 17 cm K 18

Regards Jos

Andrzej Ditrich · Post by **Andrzej Ditrich** » 28 Aug 2005 21:01

I could add those:

-According to pic below I don't see any laffete for 3,7 gun in Your list.
-7,5 gun-just to show how it looked

Source-Waffenarsenal

Brgds
@ndrew

jopaerya · Post by **jopaerya** » 29 Aug 2005 18:55

Hi All

@ndrew the 3,7 cm K.w.K. was also used in the Panzer III ,
so I think that the 3,7 cm K.w.K. gun also used the Sk-L I.

First foto the Sockellafette IV with a 15,5 cm sFH 414 (f)
Small arms, artillery and special weapons T.Gander and P.Chamberlain
Second foto the Sockellafette VI with a 15,5 cm K 420 (f) H.K.B. Gatteville 7/1261
Nationel Archives
Third foto the Sockellafette VIII with a 17 cm K 18
Bundesarchiv
Fourth foto the Sockellafette IV with a 10,5 cm K 331 (f) H.K.B. Söndervig 5/180
Der Atlantikwall bei Ringköbing B.B.Anthonisen

The Sockellafette I for the Regelbau 704
The Sockellafette IIa for the Regelbau 703
The Sockellafette IV for the Regelbau 670 , 671 and bettungen
The Sockellafette VI for the Regelbau 678 , 679
The Sockellafette VIII for the Regelbau 689 , 690

Regards Jos

jopaerya · Post by **jopaerya** » 29 Aug 2005 18:56

and the last

jopaerya · Post by **jopaerya** » 31 Aug 2005 08:19

Here a Sockellafette IV with a 10,5 cm K 332 (f) ,
foto is from Erik Ettrup .

Regards Jos

ducatim901 · Post by **ducatim901** » 03 Sep 2005 22:57

@ndrew wrote:I could add those:

-According to pic below I don't see any laffete for 3,7 gun in Your list.
-7,5 gun-just to show how it looked

Source-Waffenarsenal

Brgds
@ndrew

the 7.5cm was behelfsmäßig so this means it was not a standard-design but a quickfix to make the guns ready to use in a short time.
and on the picture of the 3.7KwK i do not see any lafette just the guns.

Andrzej Ditrich · Post by **Andrzej Ditrich** » 04 Sep 2005 00:27

3,7 Sockellaffete.jpg

-what is near the top edge of the foto? Burrel of the gun?-guess no.See those pieces of trianlge steel plates welded to the laffete.Also is visible a lower part:plate with screw holes-> For me it could be a laffete.

If we assume the guns and laffetten are here separated (guns could be destroyed before capitulation-common practice) then this could be earlier a quickfix (gun+laffete)-wright?

Brgds
@ndrew

Erik E · Post by **Erik E** » 05 Sep 2005 22:41

mittl. Sockellafette IV 16 to für 10,5 cm K 331 (f)and K 338 (i), 10,5 cm K 332 (f), 10,5 cm K 335 (h),
10,5 cm K 29 (p), 10,5 cm K 35 (t), 10 cm K 17/04, 10 cm K 18 , 10,7 cm K 352 (r), 11,4 cm K 365 (e),
12 cm K 370 (b), 15,5 sFH 414 (f), 15,5 cm sFH 17 (p).

Aleast one battery in Norway was equipped with 10,5 cm K 335 (h) in sockel lafette.
During trials in May 1943, one of the barrels came loose, and were blown out of the emplacement!
Here are some remains from these days, but not connected to the accident......

Erik

jopaerya · Post by **jopaerya** » 12 Apr 2007 20:15

Hello All

Here a drawing of a "schwere sockellafette" looks it's a french 15.5.cm .

Regards Jos

jopaerya · Post by **jopaerya** » 22 Sep 2007 13:12

Hello All

The Sockellafette seen here above are all from the Army , does anyone
have any information about the use of Sockellafette for the Kriegmarine ?
I know one that was the M.K.B. Socoa-West with 4 x 15.5 cm K. 418 (f)
as you can see on the photo , this is not the original French lafette .
Who has information on the use of naval sockelafette for field guns ???

Photo = Bundesarchiv Koblenz

Regards Jos

Manuferey · Post by **Manuferey** » 22 Sep 2007 18:14

Jos,

I've found pictures of a 105 mm field gun - 10,5 cm K331(f) - on German naval mounts:

http://www.occupied.guernsey.net/images ... 0_5gun.jpg

Also, on page 26 of "Guns of the Atlantikwall" edited by Schiffer, there is a nice picture of another 10,5 cm K331(f) on a turn-of-the-century naval mount.
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Regarding the casemate at MKB Socoa above, it is a M170 ?

Emmanuel

jopaerya · Post by **jopaerya** » 22 Sep 2007 19:38

Hello Emmanuel

Most of the 10.5 cm K.331 (f) in these lafette's as on your photo at the Channel Islands were used as beach defences in "Jägerstanden " or 671 and were made
for the Army and not for the Navy .

The bunkers from the the M.K.B. Socoa-West were of a combined model M170/622

Regards Jos

JTG · Post by **JTG** » 22 Sep 2007 21:14

Hello Emmanuel

As Jos says:

"Most of the 10.5 cm K.331 (f) in these lafette's as on your photo at the Channel Islands were used as beach defences in "Jägerstanden " or 671 and were made
for the Army and not for the Navy ."

They were all converted from field carriages.

The only Naval Batterie was "Lothringen, Noirmont Point", please do a Forum search and a Google, I'm sure you will esily find some information.

Rgds

John Germain

Manuferey · Post by **Manuferey** » 23 Sep 2007 12:43

So the Kriegsmarine gave the Heer old naval mounts to mount some French field guns for coastal defense.

Emmanuel

jopaerya · Post by **jopaerya** » 23 Sep 2007 17:31

Hi Emmanuel

Do you have German prove of this theory , that the mount
were from the 15 cm S.K.L/.45 or 17 cm S.K.L/40 ??
Just to get the facts strait , this would be new for me

Regards Jos