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Post by Manuferey » 24 Sep 2007 17:52

Hi Jos,

The mention of a naval mount comes the Schiffer book that was originally published in German and written by Germans too. Here is the picture below. It probably comes from “Der Atlantikwall – Vol II – 1989" from Zimmermann. (So all my sources are German, aren’t they :? ? Just kidding !).

The text attached to the picture is "Left: A 10,5 cm Filed Cannon 331 (f) on a turn-of-the-century naval mount. (Zimmermann)."

But the book does not mention the type of the original mount. However, the mount looks the same as in the casemate at Guernesey.

The armored shield looks like naval origin of turn-of-the-(XXth)-century. It could be why Zimmermann refers to it as a naval mount. :idea: The mount itself also looks very different from a mittlere Sockellafette IV.

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Post by jopaerya » 24 Sep 2007 18:44

Thanks Emmanuel

The books from H. Zimmerman are great for starters , but not so
accurate as we want our information . In DAWA Nachrichten heft
15 Harry Lippmann wrote a article with 7 pages of corrections about
the book “Der Atlantikwall – Vol II "

Here a drawing of the naval mounting , as you see a pivot lafette .

Drawing = http://www.navweaps.com/

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Post by Manuferey » 24 Sep 2007 21:26

Jos,

So there are no naval mounts for the K331(f) guns above :( ?

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Post by jopaerya » 25 Sep 2007 18:06

Hello Emmanuel

I think the lafette for the 10.5 cm K.331 (f) at the Channel Islands
are forrunners for the Sockelaffete , but maybe our members from
the C.I. have more information about this device .

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Post by Manuferey » 29 Sep 2007 22:44

Jos,

I agree, the Jaegerstanden mounts look much more complex to build than the later Socklelafetten for K331(f) guns. :) Anyway, it seems that their designs were based more on turn-of-the-century naval mounts than fortress gun mounts, as 10-15 cm caliber naval guns were widespread around the main navies, unlike fortress guns of these calibers.

Regarding the picture of the 15,5 cm K418(f) gun in a casemate at MKB Socoa, the embrasure appears to me more like 120 degrees than 90 degrees, and thus, would make the casemate closer to an M270 than a M170. In addition, the type 622 was a double shelter. Do you have any more details on this combined M170/622 casemate ? :?

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Post by Manuferey » 30 Sep 2007 19:59

What are the differences, if any, between a schwere Sockellafette VI and a Drehsockel, in particular for the 15,5 cm K418(f) gun ?

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Post by jopaerya » 30 Sep 2007 20:35

Hi Emmanuel

This is what I found on German proof :lol:

For the Sockellafette VI used in the 678 and 679 called F.Pz.K. 2351
for the 15.5 cm K 420 (f) and 14.5 cm 405 (f)
For the Sockellafette "VII"( I have no prove for the VII just guessing )
used in the 694 called F.Pz.K. 2356 for the 15.5 cm K 416 (f) ,
15.5 cm K.418 (f) , 15.2 cm K. 433/1 (r) and 15.2 cm KH 390/2 (r)

The "VII" would fit perfectly in the row between the Sk.L. VI and the VIII .

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Post by jopaerya » 08 Dec 2007 12:01

Hello All

Thanks to Arquebus from Kystfort Forum some original drawing from
the mittl. Sockellafette IV , the Lafettewagen looks like very Medieval .
http://www.kystfort.com/forum/topic905.html

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Post by Manuferey » 08 Dec 2007 13:20

Jos,

What was the Sockelafettenwagen used for ?

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Post by jopaerya » 08 Dec 2007 14:47

Hello Emmanuel

I realy don't know , my guess is for transportation .

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Post by AvB » 29 Jan 2008 15:00

Could this be a 703?
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Post by jopaerya » 30 Jan 2008 12:24

Hello Arthur

I am not sure the gunopening looks a lot like the 703
bur I am missing the steel bar on top of the gunopening .

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Post by AvB » 30 Jan 2008 18:37

The gun doesn't look like an 88 either..

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Post by Sander D » 17 Feb 2008 14:35

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Maybe of some intest .

I came a cros a picture of a 75mm KwK 51 L24 auf sokkellafette at the patton museum storage facilety.

I thought only the Militärhistorisches Museum der Bundeswehr Dresden hade one,nice to see that one more have survived

http://www.combatmission.com/Patton/index_14.htm

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Post by jopaerya » 19 Jun 2008 16:13

Hello All

Here a photo of H.K.B. 3./H.K.A.A. 1253 near Yport a Regelbau with
a 15.5 cm K. 420 (f) in a Sockellaffete VI . Looks like a post war photo .

Photo = Ebay.usa

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