Sockellafetten Sk-L
Hi Jos,
The mention of a naval mount comes the Schiffer book that was originally published in German and written by Germans too. Here is the picture below. It probably comes from “Der Atlantikwall – Vol II – 1989" from Zimmermann. (So all my sources are German, aren’t they ? Just kidding !).
The text attached to the picture is "Left: A 10,5 cm Filed Cannon 331 (f) on a turn-of-the-century naval mount. (Zimmermann)."
But the book does not mention the type of the original mount. However, the mount looks the same as in the casemate at Guernesey.
The armored shield looks like naval origin of turn-of-the-(XXth)-century. It could be why Zimmermann refers to it as a naval mount. The mount itself also looks very different from a mittlere Sockellafette IV.
Emmanuel
The mention of a naval mount comes the Schiffer book that was originally published in German and written by Germans too. Here is the picture below. It probably comes from “Der Atlantikwall – Vol II – 1989" from Zimmermann. (So all my sources are German, aren’t they ? Just kidding !).
The text attached to the picture is "Left: A 10,5 cm Filed Cannon 331 (f) on a turn-of-the-century naval mount. (Zimmermann)."
But the book does not mention the type of the original mount. However, the mount looks the same as in the casemate at Guernesey.
The armored shield looks like naval origin of turn-of-the-(XXth)-century. It could be why Zimmermann refers to it as a naval mount. The mount itself also looks very different from a mittlere Sockellafette IV.
Emmanuel
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Thanks Emmanuel
The books from H. Zimmerman are great for starters , but not so
accurate as we want our information . In DAWA Nachrichten heft
15 Harry Lippmann wrote a article with 7 pages of corrections about
the book “Der Atlantikwall – Vol II "
Here a drawing of the naval mounting , as you see a pivot lafette .
Drawing = http://www.navweaps.com/
Regards Jos
The books from H. Zimmerman are great for starters , but not so
accurate as we want our information . In DAWA Nachrichten heft
15 Harry Lippmann wrote a article with 7 pages of corrections about
the book “Der Atlantikwall – Vol II "
Here a drawing of the naval mounting , as you see a pivot lafette .
Drawing = http://www.navweaps.com/
Regards Jos
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Jos,
I agree, the Jaegerstanden mounts look much more complex to build than the later Socklelafetten for K331(f) guns. Anyway, it seems that their designs were based more on turn-of-the-century naval mounts than fortress gun mounts, as 10-15 cm caliber naval guns were widespread around the main navies, unlike fortress guns of these calibers.
Regarding the picture of the 15,5 cm K418(f) gun in a casemate at MKB Socoa, the embrasure appears to me more like 120 degrees than 90 degrees, and thus, would make the casemate closer to an M270 than a M170. In addition, the type 622 was a double shelter. Do you have any more details on this combined M170/622 casemate ?
Emmanuel
I agree, the Jaegerstanden mounts look much more complex to build than the later Socklelafetten for K331(f) guns. Anyway, it seems that their designs were based more on turn-of-the-century naval mounts than fortress gun mounts, as 10-15 cm caliber naval guns were widespread around the main navies, unlike fortress guns of these calibers.
Regarding the picture of the 15,5 cm K418(f) gun in a casemate at MKB Socoa, the embrasure appears to me more like 120 degrees than 90 degrees, and thus, would make the casemate closer to an M270 than a M170. In addition, the type 622 was a double shelter. Do you have any more details on this combined M170/622 casemate ?
Emmanuel
Hi Emmanuel
This is what I found on German proof
For the Sockellafette VI used in the 678 and 679 called F.Pz.K. 2351
for the 15.5 cm K 420 (f) and 14.5 cm 405 (f)
For the Sockellafette "VII"( I have no prove for the VII just guessing )
used in the 694 called F.Pz.K. 2356 for the 15.5 cm K 416 (f) ,
15.5 cm K.418 (f) , 15.2 cm K. 433/1 (r) and 15.2 cm KH 390/2 (r)
The "VII" would fit perfectly in the row between the Sk.L. VI and the VIII .
Regards Jos
This is what I found on German proof
For the Sockellafette VI used in the 678 and 679 called F.Pz.K. 2351
for the 15.5 cm K 420 (f) and 14.5 cm 405 (f)
For the Sockellafette "VII"( I have no prove for the VII just guessing )
used in the 694 called F.Pz.K. 2356 for the 15.5 cm K 416 (f) ,
15.5 cm K.418 (f) , 15.2 cm K. 433/1 (r) and 15.2 cm KH 390/2 (r)
The "VII" would fit perfectly in the row between the Sk.L. VI and the VIII .
Regards Jos
Hello All
Thanks to Arquebus from Kystfort Forum some original drawing from
the mittl. Sockellafette IV , the Lafettewagen looks like very Medieval .
http://www.kystfort.com/forum/topic905.html
Regards Jos
Thanks to Arquebus from Kystfort Forum some original drawing from
the mittl. Sockellafette IV , the Lafettewagen looks like very Medieval .
http://www.kystfort.com/forum/topic905.html
Regards Jos
Re: Sockellafetten Sk-L
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Maybe of some intest .
I came a cros a picture of a 75mm KwK 51 L24 auf sokkellafette at the patton museum storage facilety.
I thought only the Militärhistorisches Museum der Bundeswehr Dresden hade one,nice to see that one more have survived
http://www.combatmission.com/Patton/index_14.htm
Regards
Sander
Maybe of some intest .
I came a cros a picture of a 75mm KwK 51 L24 auf sokkellafette at the patton museum storage facilety.
I thought only the Militärhistorisches Museum der Bundeswehr Dresden hade one,nice to see that one more have survived
http://www.combatmission.com/Patton/index_14.htm
Regards
Sander
Re: Sockellafetten Sk-L
Hello All
Here a photo of H.K.B. 3./H.K.A.A. 1253 near Yport a Regelbau with
a 15.5 cm K. 420 (f) in a Sockellaffete VI . Looks like a post war photo .
Photo = Ebay.usa
Regards Jos
Here a photo of H.K.B. 3./H.K.A.A. 1253 near Yport a Regelbau with
a 15.5 cm K. 420 (f) in a Sockellaffete VI . Looks like a post war photo .
Photo = Ebay.usa
Regards Jos
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