Sockellafetten Sk-L

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Re: Sockellafetten Sk-L

Post by forttravel » 06 Nov 2016 16:55

In short distance from place where was found a piece of SK-L IV was preserved other part as on attached picture. Hight about 1 m, plates thickness about 2 cm, holes about 5 cm. What is this? Sockel for Mg-Drilling?
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Re: Sockellafetten Sk-L

Post by jopaerya » 18 Nov 2016 22:32

Hello Forttravel

Do you know if this Sockel was been ecavated tottaly ??

Regards Jos

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Re: Sockellafetten Sk-L

Post by forttravel » 18 Nov 2016 22:43

Hi, it was replaced after demolition from original locations ca. 500 m where battery were placed to yard where is used as quasi anvil since 50 years.

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Re: Sockellafetten Sk-L

Post by jopaerya » 19 Nov 2016 16:02

Some data of this of this device

Bottumplate = 44/45 cm
Model plate = octagon
Thick bottum= 3 cm
Welded round pole in the middle = 14 cm
Holes = 6
Vertical support fins = 6 welded on the round pole

My main question was this the way the device was used or just the other way around ??

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Re: Sockellafetten Sk-L

Post by forttravel » 19 Nov 2016 16:25

Total hight of device approx 80-100 cm, diameter of holes (for fixing to ground?) 6 cm.
For me bottom of this device is similar concept to carriage from Sk-l Id including octagonal shape and position of holes (see green and red lines) but it is two times smaller size.
It is from Wn/StP armed with 4,7 cm pak, 2 cm flak, 2 cm kwk and mg-drilling.
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Re: Sockellafetten Sk-L

Post by jopaerya » 19 Nov 2016 16:36

The original drawing you have used from the Sockellafette I D is 1.30 cm and the steel one is 44/45 cm ??
The form fits but the lenght does not .

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Re: Sockellafetten Sk-L

Post by forttravel » 19 Nov 2016 16:38

Yes I mean shape/concept only.
But 3 times smaller bottom measurements = 3 times smaller gun calibre? From 7,5 cm to about 2 cm?
What about devices from Geräteliste like:
7601 2-cm-Lafette F
7602-2-cm-Lafette T
7526 2 cm Schwebelafette 38
or from other hands - did you see drawing for:
7527 Drehsockel für K 416 (f)

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Re: Sockellafetten Sk-L

Post by Lars Bertelsen » 20 Nov 2016 21:24

Hello
I think it must be a (home made?) anvil, because of the massive center column and because the six holes are much too big for a Sockellafette.
The Sockelllafetten Ia and Ic had got four big holes in the bottom plates, though, but those were Vergusslöcher (for concrete pouring, see drawing).
greetings Lars
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Re: Sockellafetten Sk-L

Post by forttravel » 28 Dec 2016 10:07

Lars Bertelsen wrote:Hello
I think it must be a (home made?) anvil, because of the massive center column and because the six holes are much too big for a Sockellafette.
The Sockelllafetten Ia and Ic had got four big holes in the bottom plates, though, but those were Vergusslöcher (for concrete pouring, see drawing).
greetings Lars
Hi Lars, for sure it is not anvil, what typical shape in our country is different. Any farmer even local blacksmith was no able do do such device (no moulding machine).
But I found one more tread - maybe somebody has this document: Übersicht über bodenständige Waffen?

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Re: Sockellafetten Sk-L

Post by forttravel » 03 Jan 2017 20:04

One more difference between Ia and Id version - different positions and number of holes.
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Re: Sockellafetten Sk-L

Post by forttravel » 03 Jan 2017 20:06

And set of pictures of 8,8 cm KwK gun emplacement.
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Re: Sockellafetten Sk-L

Post by Lars Bertelsen » 03 Jan 2017 22:37

One more difference between Ia and Id version - different positions and number of holes.
yes youre right, the base plate of the Sockellafette Ia/Ic has absolutely nothing to do with the base plate of the Sockellafette Id. I only mentioned the Ia/Ic base plate as an example, that big holes in base plates use to be Vergusslöcher, not holes for bolts. And the big holes in your strange steel pedestal cannot be Vergusslöcher.
If your pedestal is an anvil, it is for sure a very unusual one and must be an ad-hoc construction. And this must be the case too, if it is a gun mount.
Greetings Lars

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Re: Sockellafetten Sk-L

Post by forttravel » 03 Jan 2017 23:17

Hm, hard story, I see only one chance to do a step ahead = ask a pedestal owner for approval and dig it out.

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Re: Sockellafetten Sk-L

Post by Lars Bertelsen » 05 Jan 2017 22:04

Hm, hard story, I see only one chance to do a step ahead = ask a pedestal owner for approval and dig it out.
Yes that might be a possibility. Good luck :-)
Thanks for sharing the 3 Jagdpanther gun photos. Seems to be 3 different emplacements, probably near each other, although the backgrounds look different.
Greetings Lars

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Re: Sockellafetten Sk-L

Post by jopaerya » 11 Jan 2017 13:40

From NARA a battery box for the 8.8.cm PaK 43/3 , Regards Jos
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