German bunkers in Italy

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Re: German bunkers in Italy

Post by jopaerya » 01 Oct 2015 08:56

NO bunkers but a plan of the bay of Venice with the coast battery's

Plan = Nara

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Re: German bunkers in Italy

Post by jopaerya » 11 Apr 2016 16:31

Hello All

Found this bunker on Google Earth at Lido di Venezia, look a bit like a Marine Flak command post ??

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Re: German bunkers in Italy

Post by Tommygunn » 11 Apr 2016 22:35

Jos,
You got me going and had to go looking. You missed a bunch at your location:

45°23'18.03"N 12°21'11.67"E
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Going from West to East.

45°13'47.20"N 12°17'28.74"E
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45°14'18.07"N 12°17'29.97"E
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45°19'58.48"N 12°19'19.93"E
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45°23'3.57"N 12°21'0.42"E
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45°25'46.59"N 12°23'41.31"E
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45°26'9.74"N 12°25'49.94"E
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Those are the ones I found after a quick look and are either German or are most likely German and not commandeered Italian fortifications.

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Re: German bunkers in Italy

Post by jopaerya » 12 Apr 2016 06:01

Your are correct Tom , but I was looking for this specifix ecample .

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Re: German bunkers in Italy

Post by Tommygunn » 12 Apr 2016 09:13

Jos,
Ah, ok.

Tom.

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Re: German bunkers in Italy

Post by battlefieldsww2 » 16 Apr 2016 07:13

Andrzej Ditrich wrote:LSB from La Spezia - can anyone confirm this location?
Ont the side wall description: "...PERSONEN ....250"
Found it on google maps: 44°06'08.4"N 9°49'06.0"E

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Re: German bunkers in Italy

Post by jopaerya » 26 Jun 2016 12:07

A map from the sector near Ancona from the NARA files , Regards Jos
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Re: German bunkers in Italy

Post by sidescanner » 28 Jun 2016 17:26

While reading a book about the place I live (along the Thyrrenian shore close to Rome), I found some pages from an eye witness about a german coastal battery with 2x280 mm guns.

This looks very strange to me, even because they are in the location of the bunkers I've described some years ago
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=115791 where I think it'is impossible to fit such a big gun. There is the possibility that the emplacements have been destroied after the war, but still I'm not of the idea.

Can anyone confirm that there were no such batteries in central italy? It woulb be also great if anyone has more informations about german coastal artillery deployment (I only found a ten years old post in this same thread...)

Thanks in advance, for any answer...

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Re: German bunkers in Italy

Post by kstdk » 28 Jun 2016 17:59

Hello

Sounds like a Railroad Gun Battery - could that be it??

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Re: German bunkers in Italy

Post by sidescanner » 29 Jun 2016 11:39

Hi kstdk, it's unlikely because the nearest railway is about 5 km from the shoreline, where the guns were supposed to be. It is interesting that the railway has a Junction and on one of the lines there was a railway gallery. Unluckly, I'm not sure if it was completed during the war...
The witness wrote that he was in the OT and had to dig "a big circle" where the 280 mm guns were placed and then covered with a 1m thick concrete roof. Onestly, I think the witness' memory is wrong...but you never know.

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Re: German bunkers in Italy

Post by Tommygunn » 29 Jun 2016 11:45

Sidescanner,
Would you mind posting up coordinates and, if you still have them, the photos you took which seem to have disappeared.

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Re: German bunkers in Italy

Post by sidescanner » 29 Jun 2016 15:26

Here I am with images (and words). The bunkers are in Fregene, a nice seaplace some 30 km from Rome.
During my visits I found 4 of them (plus 1 in a militay zone), but one has been destroyed to make a parking place (for 1 car...)
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fregene 1 41°51'21.59"N 12°11'29.82"E
fregene 2 41°51'24.60"N 12°11'27.42"E
fregene 3 41°51'30.63"N 12°11'23.45"E

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this is Fregene 1, very similar to Fregene 2

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again Fregene1

Fregene 3 is similar to the other two, but on one side there is a Tobruk like structure (the images I have in my archive are ugly, but you cen see it in Google Earth).
Unluckly I lost the scheme I did for the previous post...

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Re: German bunkers in Italy

Post by kstdk » 29 Jun 2016 17:00

Hello

Again - 2 X 280 mm. guns - "a big circle" it sounds again like a Railroad Battery - the cirkle could be a turntable for the guns.

Are you sure that there was´nt a railroad during the war? It could have been a side track to the main railroad 5 km. from this place.?

The bunkers you show sure dies not fit with a 280 mm. gun battery, as you also say.

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Re: German bunkers in Italy

Post by jopaerya » 29 Jun 2016 17:58

Hello All

I could not find anything in my documents about Italy about a heavy gun batterie in the Rom area.

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Re: German bunkers in Italy

Post by sidescanner » 01 Jul 2016 14:56

Kstdk, the book were I found the informations about the bunkers, speaks about a project of connecting the main railway to the seaside.
This project never saw light, so (as far as I know and from the documents I have) there was no railway close to the sea. In any case I don't think it would be a good idea to have 2 railway guns close with a shelter about 5 km away...

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