German bunkers in Italy

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#61

Post by Tommygunn » 12 Sep 2007, 22:38

I myself have attempted to search for the Viserba bunkers but without success. I have gone from Rimini to the North of Viserba and have found no trace. It's hard to work out exactly where they would be sited and whether, since the war, they have been destroyed.
The whole coast line is very flat has been densely built on since the war with high concentrations of buildings all along the coast.
Any ideas? Should I be looking further inland? Further North? 44°05'03.94"N, 12°32'27.13"E

Below are some photo scans and a map of my adventures to the Futa Pass where I located the Casemate, three Tobruks and the most likely site of the Pantherturm. I visited in the summer of 2003 and apparently, only a matter of weeks before, some heavy duty digging work was carried out on the field in the specific area indicated, and this was confirmed by the adjacent household. All the fields in the area are grazed grass so all features can clearly be seen and the digging area only covered a 10mx10m approximate area.
Even though I found no evidence of concrete fragments I concluded from the photos that it was an ideal postion to look down the southern approach that turns behind the hill in the distance. Also the close proximity of the Tobruk 3, presumably as cover/security.
44°04'21.94"N, 11°16'21.53"E
You actually see the dirt patch on Google Earth
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Casemate.
Looking rear:
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Looking rear left:
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Looking front left:
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Looking forwards:
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Front:
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Tobruk 1:
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Tobruk 2:
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Tobruk 2:
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Tobruk 3:
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Post by jopaerya » 13 Sep 2007, 19:34

Hi All

Thanks to Henk Adriaanse a photo of a 669 near Civitavecchia

Regards Jos
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Post by jopaerya » 26 Sep 2007, 18:37

Hello All

Here a sort of Leitstand on the island Palmaria near La Spezia
http://www.worldwar.it/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5338

Regards Jos

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Post by AvB » 27 Sep 2007, 10:38

Very nice, with texts even!

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Post by SES » 01 Oct 2007, 08:57

Hi,
When some of you go on vacation, you do it with the specific purpose of hunting bunkers. When my wife and I go we, cannot stay at a hotel if it is even partly made of concrete. So my wife was somewhat dismayed, when during our recent vacation to Bibione, Italy we came across this beauty just to the east of the town of Lignano right by the yacht-harbour.
It looks German to me, but I cannot identify the type.
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Post by ducatim901 » 01 Oct 2007, 09:25

Hi SES,
Nice find!
It looks like a 612........
Greetings Jack.

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Post by SES » 01 Oct 2007, 09:34

Hi Jack,
But there is no Sharte for the gun. I looked specifically and there was no opening which had been filled with concrete post war. It was not sited for flanking fire and the "enemy side" was towards the river. I think it could be a PAK or searchlight garage.
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Post by P. Heijkoop » 01 Oct 2007, 10:02

SES,

Nice find !

Hmm, strange that there is no Scharte, because
the sides look somewhat sloped. If it's a garage it
could be a 672 or perhaps a 701?

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Post by S_haule » 01 Oct 2007, 10:05

Hi Friends,

For me it is a 612, but now the scharte is under the pavement. Did you look inside the bunker SES?

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Post by SES » 01 Oct 2007, 10:22

Hi,
No I did not look inside or taken measurements. Severe domestic oposition. :wink: And you could be right about the Scharte under the pavement.
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Post by AvB » 01 Oct 2007, 10:24

There are more lone 669s or 612s without a flanking wall in that area right?
A 672 or 701 doesn't have a big air outlet.

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Post by P. Heijkoop » 01 Oct 2007, 10:26

indeed, Scharte could be lower !

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Post by ducatim901 » 01 Oct 2007, 11:20

You can also see that there is a ridge on the roof, which means that there was a opening under it.
The ridge is on the side where the outer wall is sloped........
But i think that the scharte was closed, or the roof is a bit to thick, SES, do you have any pictures
of the sloped front??
No??
well lets say that behind every strong man there is a strong woman!!!
Damn you are strong..........;-))
Greetings Jack.

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Post by SES » 01 Oct 2007, 14:13

Hi Jack,
No I don't have a close up of the sloping front, but one can see the imprints of the shuttering boards right across.
Strong yes, but lucky too. 8-)
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Post by jopaerya » 01 Oct 2007, 15:53

Hello All

It's a 100 % Schartenstand , because the hooks for the cammonet are
on top of the bunker in the front , because the scharte is so low could
it be a Pak Schartenstand ???

Regards Jos

P.S. Ses a very nice find

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