M.K.B. Seebahnhof (Cherbourg)

[moonraker]

hello manu,
thanf for the picture,but is no same bunker. your picture in the front dock face a station transatlantic.see no large building,but just the house long the road in 1944.

picture 1944



picture 1958 your bunker

[dirk Peeters]

Yes these are two different 667
a great find
Dirk

[Chazette]

Sorry to contradict you still, but Belfra team makes a mistake strongly (as on Granville) the various photos of 667 are identical and to the same place
regards from Cherbourg
AC

http://atlantikwall.superforum.fr/t3241 ... rg-juin-44

[jopaerya]

Hello

@ Emmanuel looks to me a Obergefreiter or Stabsgefreiter

@ Etienne do you have a larger photo of the 1958 IGN plan from Cherbourg to see the harbour ??

@ Alain could be , to be 100% sure we need a larger IGN plan from 1958

Regards Jos

[Chazette]

Hello Jos
the problem is to put pictures in this forum
my collection is so big for that !

the 667 with typical big house in back
see the picture put by mister Morain from NARA film

more large with the 667 in middle and the same big house under

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another

On this another picture you see left the hostel Tourville in back of the 667
with another houses with 4 chimney (see picture Pathé film)


the Hostel Tourville is on the 22 street of boulevard felix Amiot in Cherbourg

Hostel Destroyed in 1945-1946

with the new street now and new numbers of house you see actually what i said
the old numer 22 Hostel Tourville is more right in 1944

And NARA document from 1944 said only one gun 5 cm KwK casemate

the other document are so big for here
AC

[Chazette]

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On this another picture you see on left the hostel Tourville in back of the same 667
with another houses with 4 chimney in back

you see the same houses withe 4 chimney on middle left of this picture (in front of Ls 200)

the picture from 22 june 1944 with only one 667

regards
AC

[Manuferey]

Thank you, Alain.

Quod erat demonstrandum (CQFD in French).

Emmanuel

[Chazette]

Excuse me for my very school poor English
But I do not feel at ease for big demonstrations in fortification in foreign language
AC

[jopaerya]

HI Alain

The 667 in front of the Hotel is 100% clear to me , but I love to see the IGN from 1958
from Etienne with the contours of the harbor then we can see if it's the same or a other .

Regards Jos

[Chazette]

iGN

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regards

the big house is in the right orner of the picture
the same 667 like 1944 picture is left the new garden in front of this big house
and the Hostel is destroyed
AC

[dirk Peeters]

I have this
But it s the 667 (my nr 4) in front of the hotel

It isn t helpfull i know
Dirk

[moonraker]

hi,
good game,nice work mister AC,you are rigth.I made ​​a mistake and I acknowledge,and it is I alone who is mistaken..one thing bothers me why speak of "granville",no reason here we are at stp 213.

here the proof.

plan 1933



photo nara





against by being fairplay I give you information a more + !





and your plan, nothing the trace ??



bien a vous (CQFD) in french

[Chazette]

bonjour à tous et à toutes
il faut savoir de quoi on parle ??!! il faut être précis
on nous annonce que ce point d'appui possède 2 x 667 et que c'est un scoop !
et on nous sort du chapeau après coup : une cuve pour canon de 5 cm KwK L/60 qui est vide en 1944 car la pièce a bien sur été installée dans la seule et unique casemate 667 du Stp.
mais une cuve n'est pas une 667
Et on note que cet élément manque sur un vieux plan de 2011 et je dis oui il manque sur ce plan comme d'autres choses
mais pas de problème , ne vous en faite pas tous les nouveaux éléments seront dans le prochain livre
CQFD
Pour information ce 667 unique ici, est répertorié depuis depuis 1944 et après 1946-1947 sur les plans SHM, scoitch etc

picture with the 5 cm KwK Ringstand Typ 1694

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traduction
Hello to all and to all it is necessary to know about what we speak ??!!
It is necessary to be precise we announce us that this support possesses 2 x 667 and that it is a scoop!
And we take out us of the hat afterward: a tank for 5 cm KwK L/60 who is empty in 1944 because the room in the property over summer installed in the only bunker 667 of Stp.
But a tank is not one 667
And we note that this element is lacking on an old plan of 2011 et I say yes he is lacking on this plan as other things but no problem, us you made not all the new elements will be in the next book !
for your information this 667 is not new , is on map of SHM, Scoitch and more
best regards at all
AC

[moonraker]

hello,
or I wrote that there are two 667 here ?? find the texte ?? just looking for the right location !!Do not bend my writing ! and is not scoop .I recognized my mistake. :roll:

best regards

[Chazette]

Et comme je vous vois venir avec vos gros sabots
je prend les devant :
les plans de Chazette ne sont pas à jour , vous allez me dire
et oui ils évoluent avec le temps depuis que j'ai l'age de douze ans
c'est comme tout le monde et je pense que vos plans doivent aussi évoluer, enfin je l'espère.
mais au moins j'ai le mérite de faire un plan du Stp 213 pour tout le monde, et je n'ai pas vu le votre dans votre publication ou livre ? mais je n'ai peut être pas ce livre
merci de me donner sa référence et je me ferais un plaisir de l'acheter

traduction
And as I see you coming with your big clogs I takes front:
The plans of Chazette are not up to date, you go to tell me and yes they evolve in time since I am as old as twelve years it is as everybody and I think that your plans also have to evolve, finally I hope so.
But at least I have the merit to make a plan of Stp 213 for everybody, and I did not see your in your publication or deliver? But I have can be not this book thank you for giving me its reference and I would indulge to buy him

thank you for your participation
AC