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I have never managed to figure out how the moniker "Brasilia" got attached to StP 84 and believe it may be apocryphal. The German Tarnnahme would have been "Brasilien" but most of the time they seem to have been Maisy La Martiniere (StP 84) and Maisy Les Perruques (StP 83). I also wonder at the designation "Stützpunkte"?
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I see more names are given to the 2 batteries, by germans and allied forces.
Other names are Les Perregues and La Martinière
Other names are Les Perregues and La Martinière
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Hi Sébastien ( Rouen, were my grandfather "stranded" as Belgian soldier in '40 ),
you are right, otherwise the name would have been "Rio de Janeiro"
In the above document, it's named as "Basilia" ( in other German docs, that I have seen "Brasilia" )
I thought that "Basilia" was a type error ( r forgotten ) but maybe it's the oher way around ?
"Basilia" was also a former Gallic town between Reims and Verdun...
however "Basilia" is also is a genus of bat flies in the family Nycteribiidae.
you are right, otherwise the name would have been "Rio de Janeiro"
In the above document, it's named as "Basilia" ( in other German docs, that I have seen "Brasilia" )
I thought that "Basilia" was a type error ( r forgotten ) but maybe it's the oher way around ?
"Basilia" was also a former Gallic town between Reims and Verdun...
however "Basilia" is also is a genus of bat flies in the family Nycteribiidae.
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Re: The incredible discovered one of a German site forgotten
You can see there's a small r written between the B and A. And this is a German list.
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I noticed the written "r" on the document
and here is also a German document, were they mention "Brasilia"
viewtopic.php?f=70&t=168034&p=1492358&h ... a#p1492358
but it remains strange that they use that particular name...
and here is also a German document, were they mention "Brasilia"
viewtopic.php?f=70&t=168034&p=1492358&h ... a#p1492358
but it remains strange that they use that particular name...
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Good finds. Never mind. I see now that "Brasilia" was apparently an alternate spelling from "Brasilien" for Brazil, I see it appears in various 19th century German texts.pvv8 wrote: ↑09 Jan 2023, 16:48I noticed the written "r" on the document
and here is also a German document, were they mention "Brasilia"
viewtopic.php?f=70&t=168034&p=1492358&h ... a#p1492358
but it remains strange that they use that particular name...
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Re: The incredible discovered one of a German site forgotten
and this one, from Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Brazilians
German Brazilians
Between 1824 and 1972, about 260,000 Germans settled in Brazil, the fifth largest nationality to immigrate after the Portuguese, the Italians, the Spanish, and the Japanese. By 1940, the German diaspora in Brazil totaled about a million
and if you read the text completely, than that could have been a reason to named it "Brasilia"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Brazilians
German Brazilians
Between 1824 and 1972, about 260,000 Germans settled in Brazil, the fifth largest nationality to immigrate after the Portuguese, the Italians, the Spanish, and the Japanese. By 1940, the German diaspora in Brazil totaled about a million
and if you read the text completely, than that could have been a reason to named it "Brasilia"
Re: The incredible discovered one of a German site forgotten
hello,
nothing to do with the brazil country I think. are code names and numerous STP and Wn have code names in the aera as well as beach.
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nothing to do with the brazil country I think. are code names and numerous STP and Wn have code names in the aera as well as beach.
Me belfra-team
Re: The incredible discovered one of a German site forgotten
The exact reason, wel will never know, I think...
"STP and Wn have code names in the aera "
not only in the area, most of the Stp's & Wn have code names in the Atlantikwall
"STP and Wn have code names in the aera "
not only in the area, most of the Stp's & Wn have code names in the Atlantikwall
Re: The incredible discovered one of a German site forgotten
hi,
Something is certain, we know today that the work of the winterprogram Bau of 1943 4 x 669 battery maisy STP 83, is abandoned end 1943, certainly because guns are too old and obsolete and the bunker for amunition.
early 1944 with the sommerprogram the priority site is Stp 84 (brasilia) with the construction of 4 x 612 and 622,607 for closed the bay of veys.
Me belfra-team
Something is certain, we know today that the work of the winterprogram Bau of 1943 4 x 669 battery maisy STP 83, is abandoned end 1943, certainly because guns are too old and obsolete and the bunker for amunition.
early 1944 with the sommerprogram the priority site is Stp 84 (brasilia) with the construction of 4 x 612 and 622,607 for closed the bay of veys.
Me belfra-team
Re: The incredible discovered one of a German site forgotten
Batterie Brasilia was formed and named like that in July 1942, using elements of A.A.656, I.R.726 and I.R.736. In late 1943 orders were given for it to become 8./A.R.1716. So that explains why 'Brasilia' as a name got linked to Wn.84.
I have no idea why they picked 'Brasilia' as a name though. At almost the same time they also created Batterie Franziska. Today 'Brasilia' can be used as a girls name, but I'm not sure if that was done in the first half of the 20th century?
Batterie Franziska followed a similar path as 'Brasilia' to become 5./A.R.1716 BTW.
I have no idea why they picked 'Brasilia' as a name though. At almost the same time they also created Batterie Franziska. Today 'Brasilia' can be used as a girls name, but I'm not sure if that was done in the first half of the 20th century?
Batterie Franziska followed a similar path as 'Brasilia' to become 5./A.R.1716 BTW.
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That's also a possibility
Widerstandsnest 36a 5./A.R. 1716 Batterie Franziska
and you have also
Widerstandsnest 32 6./A.R. 1716 Batterie Vera ( La Marefontaine )
Widerstandsnest 36a 5./A.R. 1716 Batterie Franziska
and you have also
Widerstandsnest 32 6./A.R. 1716 Batterie Vera ( La Marefontaine )
Re: The incredible discovered one of a German site forgotten
hello,
there are not two spellings of brasilia,it is certainly a typing error on the Fest-pie listing. look at the different maps and the doc that I placed in 2018 it is always written "brasilia".
Me belfra-team
there are not two spellings of brasilia,it is certainly a typing error on the Fest-pie listing. look at the different maps and the doc that I placed in 2018 it is always written "brasilia".
Me belfra-team
Re: The incredible discovered one of a German site forgotten
Correct. It's a unit name, so there is no other spelling.
'Brasilia' is mentioned dozens of times in the records. The few cases of other spellings are simply errors.
First mention of the battery by 716.I.D. in July 1942.
PS, apart from Batterie Franziska and Vera, there was also a Batterie Resi. Again, that may have been a girls name.
'Brasilia' is mentioned dozens of times in the records. The few cases of other spellings are simply errors.
First mention of the battery by 716.I.D. in July 1942.
PS, apart from Batterie Franziska and Vera, there was also a Batterie Resi. Again, that may have been a girls name.
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Re: The incredible discovered one of a German site forgotten
Thanks for the prove !