Hillersleben
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Re: Hillersleben
Hello
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Is R-Geschoss still on exhibit in Tupl Altmark?
Was PPG recovered too?
I saw on the film that there are still visible R-geschossen pierced concrete targets The commendant of Tupl Altmark said it is 21cm.
Brgds
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->Heimatschuss
Is R-Geschoss still on exhibit in Tupl Altmark?
Was PPG recovered too?
I saw on the film that there are still visible R-geschossen pierced concrete targets The commendant of Tupl Altmark said it is 21cm.
Brgds
@ndrew
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Rather an old question I know but it doesn't seem to have been answered. It is a Minenraumer.Auseklis wrote:What is this mine clearing vehicle, already marked by the Ordnance Technical Inspection Team???
http://strangevehicles.greyfalcon.us/Alkett.htm
Richie
Re: HILLERSLEBEN
To @ndrew:
I was at Hilersleben in 1998. We then spoke with two Bundeswehr soldiers, who we believe where there on private reasons too. They told us to be aware of the Kommandant. I did not find the bunkers on Hillersleben.
We were in the south part. We spoke with the Bundeswehr soldiers and they told us that the bunkers are in the north part. One is closed (destroyed) and the other one is in use for testing lasers on Leopard tanks.
Friends of mine who visited Hillersleben very often, told me that nowadays you better stay away, because the Bundeswehr have increased the controle of the area.
When you are still going, I wish you the best of luck and hope to hear from you what you're experience was there.
Greetings, Richard
I was at Hilersleben in 1998. We then spoke with two Bundeswehr soldiers, who we believe where there on private reasons too. They told us to be aware of the Kommandant. I did not find the bunkers on Hillersleben.
We were in the south part. We spoke with the Bundeswehr soldiers and they told us that the bunkers are in the north part. One is closed (destroyed) and the other one is in use for testing lasers on Leopard tanks.
Friends of mine who visited Hillersleben very often, told me that nowadays you better stay away, because the Bundeswehr have increased the controle of the area.
When you are still going, I wish you the best of luck and hope to hear from you what you're experience was there.
Greetings, Richard
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Re: HILLERSLEBEN
Hello @ndrew,
what do you mean by R-Geschoss and PPG ?
R-Geschoss = Röchling grenade?
Torsten
what do you mean by R-Geschoss and PPG ?
R-Geschoss = Röchling grenade?
Best regards@ndrew wrote:Hello
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Is R-Geschoss still on exhibit in Tupl Altmark?
Was PPG recovered too?
I saw on the film that there are still visible R-geschossen pierced concrete targets The commendant of Tupl Altmark said it is 21cm.
Brgds
@ndrew
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Re: HILLERSLEBEN
Hi
R-Geschoss = Röchling grenade-yes I meant it.
Regards
@ndrew
R-Geschoss = Röchling grenade-yes I meant it.
Regards
@ndrew
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It think it's impossible to say wether or not the Röchling shells in that wall were 21 cm or not.
Allthough 21 cm Rö 42 and Rö 44 shells are the most well known and probably also most tested at the Hillersleben Prooving Grounds; they also tested 15 and 17 cm Röchling.
15 and 17 cm Röchling were full kaliber shells at first, but during later trials they tested 21 cm Rö shells fitted with 15 or 17 cm sabots and supportrings.
After firing , during flight, the sabot flew away, the supportrings sheared off, leaving the actual shell to hit the target.
And since the actual shell without rings and sabot had the same diameter (116 mm for Rö 42 and 129 mm for the Rö 44), it's impossible to say which gun it was originally fired from.
PPG's were fired and recovered, to my knowledge 3,7 cm, 10,5 cm, 28 cm and 30,5 cm PPG's have been tested and most of those have been found by now.
I've scanned a page from an original CIOS report about Hillersleben Prooving Grounds, it shows the Minenraumer.
Hope it gives extra info, enjoy.
If anybody has any original- or scanned documents about Hillersleben or the ammunition tested there, i am interested in obtaining copies.
Best regards,
Zünder
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Allthough 21 cm Rö 42 and Rö 44 shells are the most well known and probably also most tested at the Hillersleben Prooving Grounds; they also tested 15 and 17 cm Röchling.
15 and 17 cm Röchling were full kaliber shells at first, but during later trials they tested 21 cm Rö shells fitted with 15 or 17 cm sabots and supportrings.
After firing , during flight, the sabot flew away, the supportrings sheared off, leaving the actual shell to hit the target.
And since the actual shell without rings and sabot had the same diameter (116 mm for Rö 42 and 129 mm for the Rö 44), it's impossible to say which gun it was originally fired from.
PPG's were fired and recovered, to my knowledge 3,7 cm, 10,5 cm, 28 cm and 30,5 cm PPG's have been tested and most of those have been found by now.
I've scanned a page from an original CIOS report about Hillersleben Prooving Grounds, it shows the Minenraumer.
Hope it gives extra info, enjoy.
If anybody has any original- or scanned documents about Hillersleben or the ammunition tested there, i am interested in obtaining copies.
Best regards,
Zünder
http://www.wk2ammo.com
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Re: HILLERSLEBEN
Hello Zünder,
with due respect but according to my knowledge which is based on the film from German TV - there were said by commendant that it had been 21cm
-valuable note-Thx!
Brgds
@ndrew
with due respect but according to my knowledge which is based on the film from German TV - there were said by commendant that it had been 21cm
.And since the actual shell without rings and sabot had the same diameter (116 mm for Rö 42 and 129 mm for the Rö 44), it's impossible to say which gun it was originally fired from
-valuable note-Thx!
-I'm happy to hear thisPPG's were fired and recovered, to my knowledge 3,7 cm, 10,5 cm, 28 cm and 30,5 cm PPG's have been tested and most of those have been found by now.
Brgds
@ndrew
Re: HILLERSLEBEN
I just found this post on Hillersleben.
If anyone wants a high-resolution copy of my U.S. Army Signal Corps photograph of the Minenraumer,
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 7&t=162075
just let me know.
Dave
If anyone wants a high-resolution copy of my U.S. Army Signal Corps photograph of the Minenraumer,
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 7&t=162075
just let me know.
Dave
Re: HILLERSLEBEN
Hi all, does anyone know of any local historians in the Hillersleben area, who are knowledgeable about the Dora/Gustav? Any ideas how I might contact them?
Any help is much appreciated!
Any help is much appreciated!
Re: HILLERSLEBEN
Please note that all guns and parts are marked as Versuchsplatz Hillersleben , picture's Ebay and Natter
Regards Jos
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Re: HILLERSLEBEN
I have found the photo of 40P8 cupola parts, excavated at Hillersleben. Does anybody knows the fate of cupola? Is it placed in any museum? And what about the other armoured parts, like the revolving turret "vorpanzer"?
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Hello
IMPRESSIVE picture
you have more pics about this cupola here http://www.nexusboard.net/sitemap/15919 ... ekte-t631/
Bye
JB
IMPRESSIVE picture
you have more pics about this cupola here http://www.nexusboard.net/sitemap/15919 ... ekte-t631/
Bye
JB
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Re: HILLERSLEBEN
I think it's a 36P8 even! See the difference between the two.
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Re: HILLERSLEBEN
Thanks jbb20p7 for the link. Interesting photos. Is not it a nonpublic "museum" inside the military area?
Arhur is right, it is a 36P8! I see the remnants of two cupolas at page, linked by jbb20p7. Hard too say, if both are 36P8 ...
By the way, could anyone identify the rests of high resistance cupola, which has been excavated few years ago at former German proving grounds near Darłowo. It has a similar shape as A1 MG cupolas (40P8 or 69P9) - rounded bottom edge. But it has no embrassures, only the side periscope holes. Could it be any observation type? Or the casted coupola with the embrassures never finished?
Arhur is right, it is a 36P8! I see the remnants of two cupolas at page, linked by jbb20p7. Hard too say, if both are 36P8 ...
By the way, could anyone identify the rests of high resistance cupola, which has been excavated few years ago at former German proving grounds near Darłowo. It has a similar shape as A1 MG cupolas (40P8 or 69P9) - rounded bottom edge. But it has no embrassures, only the side periscope holes. Could it be any observation type? Or the casted coupola with the embrassures never finished?
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I think they're both 36P8. You see the middle part with bolts.
Interesting one Ondrej! Looks like a prototype? Also because of the X, don't think it's a roman number. The turret indeed looks like an unfinished 40P8, but an actual turret would always be completed in the factory, including Schartes. You've found more photos, from the other side?
Interesting one Ondrej! Looks like a prototype? Also because of the X, don't think it's a roman number. The turret indeed looks like an unfinished 40P8, but an actual turret would always be completed in the factory, including Schartes. You've found more photos, from the other side?