Unknown Ringstand.

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Unknown Ringstand.

Post by SES » 14 Mar 2006 18:47

Hi,
Friends of mine defied the cold and went bunkerhunting on Rømø. This is what they found in ROBBE SÜD:
http://www.gyges.dk/Errata.htm
Does anyone know this type of Ringstand?
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Post by jopaerya » 14 Mar 2006 19:47

Hi Ses

I knew that I had a drawing of a "Schartenstand"
with a different type of tobruk , finely found it .
This is a bunker planned in Triest end 1944 or begin
1945 , maybe the bunkers at Romo are also build
at the same time period .
The Schartenstand is the same bunker as the bunker
in Holland for 15 cm SK C/28 only without a ammopit .

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Post by ducatim901 » 14 Mar 2006 19:59

Hi there SES,
in the Festung Hoek van Holland there are still two tobruks with the entrance on the rearside, but i thought these had the munitionsraum, your tobruk looks a little like a hybrid with the ringstand for the Ft 17 and the normal tobruk.

Jos in which batterie were the M272 built, in Triest?? (the name of the picture)
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Post by jopaerya » 14 Mar 2006 20:09

Hi Jack

This is the same bunker as M.K.B. Zoutelande , Cadzand , Vineta ,
Scheveningen Nord and Wijk , definitely not a M 272 .
The measurement are different then the M 272 , sometimes it's
called M 271 , 671 M or 671 SK .

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Post by SES » 14 Mar 2006 20:10

Hi Friends,
Glad to get some reactions, thank you very much for your inputs. Rømø was subordinate to the same unit of the Fest.Pi.Stab as Sylt and I don't have a good Bfm for the island. This plagued us for years, it was not easy to anticipate what to find and where, and most bunkers are up to their necks in sand, which subsequently has been overgrown.
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Post by jopaerya » 14 Mar 2006 20:16

Hi All

Here a buildingplan from end 1944 ,begin 1945
from Sylt including Röm also Ringstande .

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Post by SES » 14 Mar 2006 21:29

Hi Jos,
Thanks a lot. That is manily Sylt and the west coast of Rømø. I recognize the 681, 449 and 247, but no L-bunkers.
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Post by jopaerya » 15 Mar 2006 08:40

Hello Ses

I think the L - bunkers om Romo (Röm)
are build in a early-er buildingprogram.

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Post by SES » 15 Mar 2006 10:05

Hi Jos,
I know that the L 485 was built in late 1943.
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Post by SES » 30 Apr 2007 11:53

Hi,
Last week-end members of the Aw-i-Dk visited Rømø on their annual meeting. We went back and had another look at the unusual Ringstand. We found a couple of variants. One with side entrance covered by sand wings and a small roof and one with a kinked entrance. Attached is a drawing of one variant.
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more Robbe look-alikes

Post by Luchtkastelen 40-45 » 30 Apr 2007 19:38

Just a quickscan by head resulted in these two examples in Schoorl (Stellung Camperduin) and Castricum, very much alike the Robbe Ringstand. These reproductions from the BRV-archive are rather poor, but they serve to make the point: looks like another German little Regelbau in the great scheme of schemes. I can imagine there are more of these around....

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Post by SES » 30 Apr 2007 19:44

Hi Rene,
Thank you very much and I wholeheartedly agree, there must be more around.
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Post by der bunkermann » 30 Apr 2007 19:54

hi all,
the same kind of tobruk (including the bunker) were built at the same location as some fluwa's in north holland.
out of my head callantsoog, and schoorl or bergen.
so it's quite possible they are part of the fluwa's.
i'll try to find some clear material about it
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Post by SES » 30 Apr 2007 19:58

Hi Tim,
At ROBBE SÜD they certainly have the same function as normal Tobruks, and the odd thing is that in ROBBE NORD the normal Type 58c is used. SÜD was the original and main site, NORD was the Mammut/See-Elefant annex site.
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Post by der bunkermann » 30 Apr 2007 20:38

think i found one in batterie callantsoog as well.
it only lacked the long stairs?....
the measurements are quite the same. (BRV)
gr, tim.
forget what i said about he fluwa's, i found the ''standard'' fluwa tobruks there as well.
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