Unknown Ringstand.
Re: Unknown Ringstand.
Malcolm,
The door is 70cm width...
But please check the blue encircled dimensions.
The overall thickness ia about 40 cm. Based on the width 235cm. If I split the difference between the 40 and 60 we get 50cm back wall. This brings the inside "thickness" at the steps to 40.
So the width of the steps gets crucial too.
The door is 70cm width...
But please check the blue encircled dimensions.
The overall thickness ia about 40 cm. Based on the width 235cm. If I split the difference between the 40 and 60 we get 50cm back wall. This brings the inside "thickness" at the steps to 40.
So the width of the steps gets crucial too.
Thanks,
Wim
www.petromax.nl
3D : http://www.petromax.nl/Hanstholm.html
http://www.petromax.nl/DeBeer.html
Wim
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3D : http://www.petromax.nl/Hanstholm.html
http://www.petromax.nl/DeBeer.html
Re: Unknown Ringstand.
Here a other strange model , as you can see the entrance op the deck of the tobruk .
The type is founs in Holland and in France .
Photo = Guillaume + Drawing = Nationaal Archief
Regards Jos
The type is founs in Holland and in France .
Photo = Guillaume + Drawing = Nationaal Archief
Regards Jos
Re: Unknown Ringstand.
hello,
thank malcon for your worck and mesured !!
Now with ratings on a measure I am 90% that tobruk has been built to accommodate a tank turret ... have many variants of VF25. it is possible to have the diameter of the ring inside and outside please ??
have to find weekend with dirk variants with tank turret VF8 ...
thank malcon for your worck and mesured !!
Now with ratings on a measure I am 90% that tobruk has been built to accommodate a tank turret ... have many variants of VF25. it is possible to have the diameter of the ring inside and outside please ??
have to find weekend with dirk variants with tank turret VF8 ...
Re: Unknown Ringstand.
hello jos,jopaerya wrote:Here a other strange model , as you can see the entrance op the deck of the tobruk .
The type is founs in Holland and in France .
Photo = Guillaume + Drawing = Nationaal Archief
Regards Jos
decision yesterday,we will empty the pump has tobruk in 15 days and measured with dirk because we know that this place was in France for the moment ...
regards etienne.
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Re: Unknown Ringstand.
Hi Moonraker,moonraker wrote:hello,
thank malcon for your worck and mesured !!
Now with ratings on a measure I am 90% that tobruk has been built to accommodate a tank turret ... have many variants of VF25. it is possible to have the diameter of the ring inside and outside please ??
have to find weekend with dirk variants with tank turret VF8 ...
The 3 Tobruks of this design at Wn. Carriere were all fitted with the standard 80cm wide ring for a revolving M.G. 34 mounting. There was also a Tobruk for mounting a FT17 turret at the Wn. but it was of a different design and has been partly demolished.
Regards,
Malcolm
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Herr Engelbert Hoppe. M19 bunker Commander 1944/45 when he first returned in 2006.
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Re: Unknown Ringstand.
thank malcom,
ok 80 cm
ok 80 cm
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Re: Unknown Ringstand.
Malcolm Thank you very very much
I hope you find some new oddities in your region
me too i ll think its for a panzerturm...
I hope you find some new oddities in your region
me too i ll think its for a panzerturm...
Re: Unknown Ringstand.
Here some picture's of the same tobruk without water , with climing hooks .
http://atlantikwall.superforum.fr/t1148 ... iere-62-80
Regards Jos
http://atlantikwall.superforum.fr/t1148 ... iere-62-80
Regards Jos
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Re: Unknown Ringstand.
I hope to draw this one in the evening
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Re: Unknown Ringstand.
Hi all, what about this tobruk for observation?
freie kuste scheveningen-katwijk.
freie kuste scheveningen-katwijk.
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Re: Unknown Ringstand.
Hello Tim
That is a strange one , any idea what troops were placed in this Stp. or W.n. ??
Regards Jos
That is a strange one , any idea what troops were placed in this Stp. or W.n. ??
Regards Jos
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Re: Unknown Ringstand.
Hi jos, it's wassenaarseslag in augustus '44 it was 2./SS ausbildung und ersatzbattl. 12
also V.B. 21./SSbatterie (maybe v......beobachtung?)
but there is also the regional design hexagonal observationbunker built in the complex (attached to the tunnels)..
EDIT: in january 1944 there was 3./31 (16 lw feld division).
gr, Tim
also V.B. 21./SSbatterie (maybe v......beobachtung?)
but there is also the regional design hexagonal observationbunker built in the complex (attached to the tunnels)..
EDIT: in january 1944 there was 3./31 (16 lw feld division).
gr, Tim
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Re: Unknown Ringstand.
Hi Tim,
If you are right with the Beobachtung, then V means Vorgeschobene.
JK
If you are right with the Beobachtung, then V means Vorgeschobene.
JK
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Re: Unknown Ringstand.
ola jack, good thinking!
now i wonder if the hexagonal towe, the tobruk or both were in favor of the artillerie...
given the fact tthat there are 3 more hexagonal towers between katwijk and scheveningen they could be peilstande for the marinebatterie's or regular observationbunkers?
(EDIT: dont seem logic mar. peilstand in heeres stutzpunkt..)
do you know the exact function of the one at M.A.A. 201?
now i wonder if the hexagonal towe, the tobruk or both were in favor of the artillerie...
given the fact tthat there are 3 more hexagonal towers between katwijk and scheveningen they could be peilstande for the marinebatterie's or regular observationbunkers?
(EDIT: dont seem logic mar. peilstand in heeres stutzpunkt..)
do you know the exact function of the one at M.A.A. 201?
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Re: Unknown Ringstand.
for the record:
the 21./SS batterie was the artilleriebatterie at bellesteijn (4X15.5 cm geschutz)
the 21./SS batterie was the artilleriebatterie at bellesteijn (4X15.5 cm geschutz)