Unknown Ringstand.

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Re: Unknown Ringstand.

Post by wimve » 31 Mar 2012 19:54

Malcolm,

The door is 70cm width... :D
But please check the blue encircled dimensions.
Tobruk_weird_01.jpg
The overall thickness ia about 40 cm. Based on the width 235cm. If I split the difference between the 40 and 60 we get 50cm back wall. This brings the inside "thickness" at the steps to 40.
So the width of the steps gets crucial too.
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Re: Unknown Ringstand.

Post by jopaerya » 01 Apr 2012 12:22

Here a other strange model , as you can see the entrance op the deck of the tobruk .
The type is founs in Holland and in France .

Photo = Guillaume + Drawing = Nationaal Archief

Regards Jos
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Re: Unknown Ringstand.

Post by moonraker » 02 Apr 2012 10:09

hello,
thank malcon for your worck and mesured !!

Now with ratings on a measure I am 90% that tobruk has been built to accommodate a tank turret ... have many variants of VF25. it is possible to have the diameter of the ring inside and outside please ??
have to find weekend with dirk variants with tank turret VF8 ...

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Re: Unknown Ringstand.

Post by moonraker » 02 Apr 2012 10:13

jopaerya wrote:Here a other strange model , as you can see the entrance op the deck of the tobruk .
The type is founs in Holland and in France .

Photo = Guillaume + Drawing = Nationaal Archief

Regards Jos
hello jos,
decision yesterday,we will empty the pump has tobruk in 15 days and measured with dirk because we know that this place was in France for the moment ...
regards etienne.

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Re: Unknown Ringstand.

Post by M19 MADMAL » 02 Apr 2012 16:22

moonraker wrote:hello,
thank malcon for your worck and mesured !!

Now with ratings on a measure I am 90% that tobruk has been built to accommodate a tank turret ... have many variants of VF25. it is possible to have the diameter of the ring inside and outside please ??
have to find weekend with dirk variants with tank turret VF8 ...
Hi Moonraker,

The 3 Tobruks of this design at Wn. Carriere were all fitted with the standard 80cm wide ring for a revolving M.G. 34 mounting. There was also a Tobruk for mounting a FT17 turret at the Wn. but it was of a different design and has been partly demolished.

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Malcolm :milwink:
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Re: Unknown Ringstand.

Post by moonraker » 02 Apr 2012 16:33

thank malcom,
ok 80 cm

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Re: Unknown Ringstand.

Post by dirk Peeters » 05 Apr 2012 14:09

Malcolm Thank you very very much
I hope you find some new oddities in your region
me too i ll think its for a panzerturm...

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Re: Unknown Ringstand.

Post by jopaerya » 20 May 2012 12:12

Here some picture's of the same tobruk without water , with climing hooks .
http://atlantikwall.superforum.fr/t1148 ... iere-62-80

Regards Jos

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Re: Unknown Ringstand.

Post by dirk Peeters » 20 May 2012 13:10

I hope to draw this one in the evening
Dirk

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Re: Unknown Ringstand.

Post by der bunkermann » 30 Jun 2012 14:00

Hi all, what about this tobruk for observation?
freie kuste scheveningen-katwijk.
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Re: Unknown Ringstand.

Post by jopaerya » 01 Jul 2012 08:50

Hello Tim

That is a strange one , any idea what troops were placed in this Stp. or W.n. ??

Regards Jos

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Re: Unknown Ringstand.

Post by der bunkermann » 01 Jul 2012 14:57

Hi jos, it's wassenaarseslag in augustus '44 it was 2./SS ausbildung und ersatzbattl. 12
also V.B. 21./SSbatterie (maybe v......beobachtung?)
but there is also the regional design hexagonal observationbunker built in the complex (attached to the tunnels)..
EDIT: in january 1944 there was 3./31 (16 lw feld division).

gr, Tim
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Re: Unknown Ringstand.

Post by JKernwerk » 01 Jul 2012 15:19

Hi Tim,
If you are right with the Beobachtung, then V means Vorgeschobene.
JK

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Re: Unknown Ringstand.

Post by der bunkermann » 01 Jul 2012 15:56

ola jack, good thinking!
now i wonder if the hexagonal towe, the tobruk or both were in favor of the artillerie...
given the fact tthat there are 3 more hexagonal towers between katwijk and scheveningen they could be peilstande for the marinebatterie's or regular observationbunkers?
(EDIT: dont seem logic mar. peilstand in heeres stutzpunkt..)
do you know the exact function of the one at M.A.A. 201?

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Re: Unknown Ringstand.

Post by der bunkermann » 01 Jul 2012 17:35

for the record:
the 21./SS batterie was the artilleriebatterie at bellesteijn (4X15.5 cm geschutz)

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