Belgian Artillery used by the Germans

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Post by nuyt » 05 Oct 2007 20:28

Note both last pics are the 13,5cm original, the smalll building in the back is the same.

Interesting to know btw the 155mm L30,5 was a rebored 135mm....
Do you have more info on this?

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Post by SES » 06 Oct 2007 10:44

jopaerya wrote:Hello Steuner

Here a list from Belgium guns with were used by the German Army and
a list from 01-03--1944 how many guns were still in active service .

..38 x 7,5 cm F.K. 234 (b)
154 x 7,5 cm F.K. 235 (b)
195 x 7,5 cm F.K. 236 (b)
..40 x 7,6 cm I.G. 260 (b)
..24 x 12 cm K. 370 (b)
....8 x 15,5 cm K. 432 (b)

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Hi Jos,
As you know I have a special interest in and affiliation to the 7,62 IG (b). If the figure 40 is correct and that is the total number in the Wehrmacht, most of these guns ended up on German Flg.Hrst. in Denmark. Please see:
http://www.gyges.dk/fliegerhorst_grove2b.htm
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Post by jopaerya » 06 Oct 2007 11:28

HI Ses

There is a othere list from H.Gr.B. from 14-03-1944 there were no
7.6 cm I.G. 260 (b) there and it's does not look as a first class front
weapon , so the 40 coulds be used in Denmark and Norway ??

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P.S. could the drawing from Lars be a Panzerdrehhaube fur 2 cm
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Post by SES » 06 Oct 2007 12:35

jopaerya wrote:HI Ses

There is a othere list from H.Gr.B. from 14-03-1944 there were no
7.6 cm I.G. 260 (b) there and it's does not look as a first class front
weapon , so the 40 coulds be used in Denmark and Norway ??

Regards Jos

P.S. could the drawing from Lars be a Panzerdrehhaube fur 2 cm
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Hi Jos
1. If my count is correct the break down is as follows:

Flg.Hrst. Aalb West: 12.
Flg.Hrst. Aalb Ost: 2?
Flg.Hrst. Grove: 12
Flg.Hrst. Esbjerg: 6?

2. Yes
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Post by TH » 07 Oct 2007 05:39

I counted 34 (source = BFM Denmark):

Aalborg 12 (West 8 / Ost 4)
Rom 4
Grove 12
Esbjerg 6

In addition, two garages for the guns were built in Frederikshavn.
It seems that there always were 2 guns per garage (only exception would be Esbjerg with 6 guns and 4 garages).
So there could have been 4 guns at Frederikshavn.
That makes a total of 38 guns, only 2 are missing.
Maybe two more at Esbjerg?

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Post by SES » 07 Oct 2007 06:54

TH wrote:I counted 34 (source = BFM Denmark):

Aalborg 12 (West 8 / Ost 4)
Rom 4
Grove 12
Esbjerg 6

In addition, two garages for the guns were built in Frederikshavn.
It seems that there always were 2 guns per garage (only exception would be Esbjerg with 6 guns and 4 garages).
So there could have been 4 guns at Frederikshavn.
That makes a total of 38 guns, only 2 are missing.
Maybe two more at Esbjerg?


Hi TH,
Thank you very much for the correction. In spite of the lack of entry in the BfM, there could actually have been some of these guns in Frederikshavn. I have a picture of an allied assembly point for German arty from the Skaw with one of these guns depicted, and it doesnot make sense if this should have been transported all the way from Aalborg.
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Post by jopaerya » 07 Oct 2007 19:33

Hello All

Thanks to Weisweiler a other photo of the 15.5 cm
also a nice Topic here viewtopic.php?t=128664&start=0
with some more Belgian guns and anti-aircraftguns

Photo = Soma Brussel

Regards Jos
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Post by SASH155 » 09 Oct 2007 16:21

Great photo, but wrong gun. This is a 15 cm K-16 in Belgian service (I can't recall the exact Belgian designation, but it was something like "Canon de 149 Long mle. 1916 Krupp"). They received these guns as reparations and as far as I know, they were retained in the original German 149.3mm caliber, with ceded stocks of ammunition. As to the debate about the 155 L mle. 1924 Cockerill, I base my thesis that these guns were simply modified 13cm K 09s on the obvious fact that they resemble each other so closely. It would have been a rather simple matter for Cockerill to take captured/ceded K 09s and reline them to 155mm to use French 155mm ammunition, add solid rubber tires to make them more appropriate for tractor towing (with some modifications to the axles and springs?). I noticed also that in a comparison of stats between the K 09 and the 155 L mle. 1924 that they were very similar in weight, elevation and depression, length of ordnance, etc... Details like the carriage, breech and breech ring match as well (horizontal sliding block, not screw as on Schneider weapons).

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Post by jopaerya » 09 Oct 2007 17:26

Thanks for the correction , according to some books
the Belgian name was Canon de 150 mm L/43 ??

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Post by SASH155 » 09 Oct 2007 20:39

That is probably correct as it had an L/43 ordnance.

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Re: 155 mm L Mle 1924

Post by Manuferey » 07 Apr 2012 00:08

SASH155 wrote:Does anyone have a decent photo of the Cockerill "Matériel de 155L mle. 1924"? I have tried to get one for years, without result. I asked on Landships, where I have some posts, but no one seems to have one at all.
From ebay.de, a German picture of several captured 155 mm L Mle 1924.

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Another captured 15,5 cm Kanone 432 (b)

Post by ain92 » 17 Dec 2013 09:12

Hello all.
Found it on eBay. I can't see any hard rubber tires, the wheels seem to be German (from 1917).
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Re: Belgian Artillery used by the Germans

Post by Sturm78 » 17 Dec 2013 10:54

Hi ain92

13cm K09 German gun of WW1

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Post by ain92 » 17 Dec 2013 18:23

Sturm78 wrote:Hi ain92

13cm K09 German gun of WW1

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Hello, Sturm.
Why do you think so? Wheels? The seller claims it to be a Belgian or French one.
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Re: Belgian Artillery used by the Germans

Post by Janef » 17 Dec 2013 18:52

B_001 155 m24.jpg
Here is one belgian in Norway as it was in 1945.

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