75-mm Puteaux M/97-14 AA-gun

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75-mm Puteaux M/97-14 AA-gun

Post by JTV » 24 Oct 2002 08:06

Has anybody heard about such gun? At the moment I am making webpages about AA-guns used in Finland between 1926 - 1945. This is one of the guns, but I have managed to find very little about them. It is known that Finns bougth 12 of these guns from Germany at autumn of 1940.

What else is known:
- The guns were static
- Model number Finns used would indicate that the gun is based to 75-mm French M/1897 field gun and was either accepted to use or issued first at 1914. Only pic that I have managed to find shows basically just barrel pointing upwards from concrete gun-shelter, but the barrel also looks very much like the on in French M/1897 field gun.
- It also seems practically certain that Germans had captured the guns in somewhere (in France most likely?)

Any data about introduction of these guns, their production and use in anywhere would be most welcome.

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75 mm M97/14 AA gun

Post by Robert Hurst » 24 Oct 2002 10:45

Hi JTV

With regard to your post to the above, I can give you the following information.


During WWI the French placed a number of 75 mm Mle 1897 Field gun barrels onto rudimentary anti-aircraft carriages around the more important French cities and arsenals.

Despite their age (the design dating from 1915) the French Army still had 913 of these guns still in service in May 1940. Most were retained for a while by the Germans, but most were gradually dismantled from their AA mountings and diverted for use as part of the Atlantic Wall coast defences.

Note that the original field gun designation is still retained.

The above information and the two photos was taken from 'Small Arms, Artillery and Special Weapons of the Third Reich: An Encyclopedic Survey', by Terry Gander and Peter Chamberlain.
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Re: 75 mm M97/14 AA gun

Post by JTV » 24 Oct 2002 12:17

Robert Hurst wrote:Hi JTV

With regard to your post to the above, I can give you the following information.

-- excellent data --

The above information and the two photos was taken from 'Small Arms, Artillery and Special Weapons of the Third Reich: An Encyclopedic Survey', by Terry Gander and Peter Chamberlain.


Thanks, that seems to be the gun. I have read that book once (its hard to find in here, only copy I have ever seen is non-loanable one in reference library-section at library of National Defence Collage), but I did't remember the gun being in it.

The information about German use fits also nicely. In Finland those guns were issued to AA-batteries of coastal artillery. They remained in that use until end of WW2.

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Post by jopaerya » 01 Jul 2007 10:20

Hello

Who can help me with this , ther some photo's of the 7.5 cm 97 on a naval affut
( crinoline and Mle 1916 g ) on a mobile lafette just like the 8.8 cm Flakguns .
My quistion is are these mobile lafette ( Kreuzlaffete ) French or German made ????

Photo's = Objectif Douvers from P.Gamelin and Internet

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Post by Chazette » 02 Jul 2007 23:13

Hi Jos is not a french conception to make a gun on 4 (Fleches in french)

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Post by jopaerya » 03 Jul 2007 17:07

Thanks Alain

I think that one the first blurry photo is a Kreuzlafette of the 8.8 cm
Flak 36 as you can see on the hooks for the 2 pair of wheels .

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Post by jopaerya » 14 Nov 2007 17:10

Hello All

This gun is I think one of the most used guns in the 20 Century and also
with different specifications , as fieldgun , PaK gun , Flak gun and even
as naval gun .

Now to the point who knows more about this lafette for this gun , looks like
a concrete pivot , then what looks like a Sk L for a 5 cm but then for the 7.5
According to the photocaption the photo come from a German manual ??

Regards Jos
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Post by Lars Bertelsen » 14 Nov 2007 19:54

Hello Jos

I just took another look at your photo of the 7,5 cm FK 97 mounted in Kreuzlafette.
It is not a 8,8 cm Flaklafette (on which the outriggers were folding upwards), but a Lafette from a 8,8 cm PaK 43 (with outriggers folding horizontally).
Looks rather homemade. I wonder who made this conversion.

The riveted pedestal with the eight separate legs looks special too. Is this a standard mount?

Lars

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Post by jopaerya » 14 Nov 2007 20:22

Hello Lars

The riveted pedestal with the eight separate legs is French
made and is called 75 mm sur affût crinoline ( hoop-skirt ) .

Regards Jos

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Post by Lars Bertelsen » 15 Nov 2007 20:12

Hello Jos

Thanks for that.
Do you have any informations about where the pictures of the FK 97 in Kreuzlafette were taken?
An obsolete AA gun in a late-war AT gun carriage does not make much sense to me, but it could seem that at least two of them were constructed. It might be coincidence, but . . .

The Sockellafette on the concrete base looks very much like a SkL for a 5 cm Kwk, but some details are quite different.
E.g. the gun seems to be elevated with a couple of hinged steel bars mounted at the rear platform. I don’t think that I have seen this type of “Höhenrichtmaschine” before.

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Post by jopaerya » 16 Nov 2007 20:42

Hello Lars

We did found one FK 97 gun with Kreuzlafette near Cap de la Haque
in the backyard of the lighthouse , but that was in the 1985 .

Regards Jos

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Post by Manuferey » 19 Jan 2008 02:31

jopaerya wrote:Hello

Who can help me with this , ther some photo's of the 7.5 cm 97 on a naval affut
( crinoline and Mle 1916 g ) on a mobile lafette just like the 8.8 cm Flakguns .
My quistion is are these mobile lafette ( Kreuzlaffete ) French or German made ????

Photo's = Objectif Douvers from P.Gamelin and Internet

Regards Jos


Jos, Alain,

In the same website that shows the 2 pictures of the “blue” 75, there is also a picture of a 75 on a "crinoline" mount with 4 legs. It looks like these 4 legs are a more modern assembly for either display or naval training but not a vintage mounting. What do you think ?

http://canonspgmww1guns.canalblog.com/a ... p40-0.html

Emmanuel

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Post by jopaerya » 19 Jan 2008 09:50

Hello Emmanuel

I think the mount with the four legs ( fleches ) on the internetsite
are not original , but a not so accurate remake of the Kreuzlaffete .

Regards Jos

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Re: 75-mm Puteaux M/97-14 AA-gun

Post by jopaerya » 07 May 2009 19:49

Hello

Here a German mobile lafette with a French 7.5 cm on top upside down at Quessant
http://atlantikwall.superforum.fr/breta ... -t5729.htm
please look in the middle of the topic .

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Re: 75-mm Puteaux M/97-14 AA-gun

Post by Manuferey » 07 May 2009 22:02

Interesting: the leg on the right is fixed, the other two visible legs are foldable horizontally.

Jos: how do you recognize that it's a 7,5 cm gun mounted on this base?

Emmanuel

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