Did the Germans convert captured BREN guns to 8mm?

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Did the Germans convert captured BREN guns to 8mm?

Postby Old_Fossil » 08 Jul 2014 22:10

The Germans captured a large number of BREN guns in 1940. Since these guns were nearly identical to the ZB 26 did they attempt to convert them to 7.92 Mauser?
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Re: Did the Germans convert captured BREN guns to 8mm?

Postby Sarge » 10 Jul 2014 21:11

Not that I remember hearing about. Why should they, they had lots of captured 303 ammo.
However the Brits made the Bren in 8mm for shipment to the Chinese Nationalists. The magazines were straight rather than curved.
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Re: Did the Germans convert captured BREN guns to 8mm?

Postby Old_Fossil » 10 Jul 2014 21:24

If you want to simplify your logistics you convert the guns to 8mm. Post-war the British did convert some of their remaining BREN guns to 7.62 NATO by replacing the barrel and bolt. The Germans could easily done the same if a large enough number of captured BREN guns made the investment worthwhile. Any idea how many BREN guns were captured in June 1940?
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Re: Did the Germans convert captured BREN guns to 8mm?

Postby kerryboo » 11 Sep 2017 15:09

Hello all,
To open up an old thread, here are some thoughts. The German forces readily adopted the Czech ZB vz 26 and 30, as the MG26(t) and MG30(t). These were "cousins" of the BREN, as the original design from which it was developed. The same gun was used by Czech, Jugoslavian and Lithuanian forces amongst others and was utilised by the Germans after capture. Therefore they also had magazines for the weapons, which were chambered for the 7.92 round. However, in order to use the BREN in modified form they would have needed to produce increased numbers of the "straight" magazine for these and discarded any captured curved BREN mags. I think that this would have been just too complicated, so the captured BRENs remained in store, in .303, until some were later issued to Volkssturm formations. These, along with a huge variety of other impounded weapons from subdued nations, were issued in the knowledge that the ammunition supplies would be difficult and limited. A logistical nightmare, but not one which would stretch the already strained manufacturing capacity of German and German controlled arms factories. I think, pragmatically, the decision would have been made not to convert, but this is based on reason not on any deep knowledge of the mindset prevalent at the time.
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