Photos - Germans with captured firearms

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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Postby shamirnewell » 07 Jul 2017 12:15

I would say a PPD 40 and the troops I would say 4th SS in Russia. They sure are taking a lot of pictures in this shot.

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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Postby carius » 07 Jul 2017 12:20

Poot wrote:The last photo appears to show a Suomi instead of a PPSh, and the MG on the ground is Czech, I think.
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SMG is PPD,not Suomi.MG is czech ZB-53 :milwink:
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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Postby Marsalkka Mahtimeisseli » 09 Jul 2017 11:30

shamirnewell wrote:I would say a PPD 40 and the troops I would say 4th SS in Russia. They sure are taking a lot of pictures in this shot.

The SMG in the picture seems to have a one-piece stock, not a two piece stock like in the PPD-40. So the SMG seems to be PPD-34/38.

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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Postby Poot » 09 Jul 2017 18:04

There are some interesting things going on in that one photo. There is a second MG in the background of the first, and it appears to be the same type. There are no unit designators visible on anyone that I can see so it could be any W-SS unit, including the 7th, who were frequently photographed using Czech crew-served weapons in Yugoslavia.

The soldier with the (added) red horizontal line pointing at his throat also has an axe mounted on the left side of his body. I haven't seen that before, at least with that much clarity. I'm always amazed at how many surviving photos were taken on personal cameras by German troops like those shown in this example. This photo gives at least a hint at how widely distributed personally owned cameras were at the time.
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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Postby carius » 11 Jul 2017 07:01

Image from ebay.de №391799179758
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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Postby carius » 12 Jul 2017 11:30

Image from ebay.de №232389796428
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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Postby carius » 24 Jul 2017 06:44

Image from ebay.de №172466801814
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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Postby Poot » 10 Aug 2017 18:51

Good photo, Carius.
I've seen a few photos of German troops firing SVT's in apparently casual (as opposed to true training) contexts. That one is new to me, though.
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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Postby kerryboo » 24 Aug 2017 18:50

Here is a big boy's toy, a recently captured QF Pom-Pom on a ground mount, or possibly a mount removed from a Naval vessel,
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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Postby carius » 14 Sep 2017 07:19

Image from ebay.de №202052607508
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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Postby B Hellqvist » 08 Oct 2017 15:14

Cavalry lieutenant with a PPD-40 (second from right).
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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Postby AlifRafikKhan » 19 Feb 2018 10:09

Hi, what are these MGs used by an SS unit in 1939?
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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Postby Poot » 19 Feb 2018 19:29

The LMGs are Czech ZB.26s or ZB.30s, and the HMGs are Czech ZB.53/Vz.37s.

Also note the use of Czech VZ-24 rifles stacked in the first photo, with their typical straight bolts, lack of both sling slot cut-outs and bolt take down ferrules in the stocks, and lower sling attachment points close to the butt plates (unlike K98k rifles).

It's a simple task to find post 1938 Wehrmacht photos of VZ-24's in use with German forces. Czech small arms comprised a very significant portion of available arms for combat units early in the war, before they were largely relegated to second line troops after (probably) 1942.
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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Postby B Hellqvist » 20 Feb 2018 01:10

The second guy from the right carries a captured Soviet PPD-40 submachine gun. (Photo from my collection.)
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