Austrian Weapons in Norway

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Austrian Weapons in Norway

Post by FiveStars » 09 Jan 2021 13:19

Greetings to all, Happy Holidays.

There is, on the internet, a quite famous photograph of a Gebirgsjaeger armed with a MG30, presumably in Narvik.

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Furthermore, I have encountered several photographs of MP34s in Norway, aswell as more non-Norwegian GJ photographs where they are also armed with MG30s. With some degree of certainty, I assume that the Gebirgsjaegers in question are from the 2. Gebirgs Division, which was formed out of Austrian units after the Anschluss. Unfortunatley, division strength and equipment rolls do not go into detail about the different types of weapons used by the unit, instead grouping weapons by type, which is why I turn to fellow forumites. Do you have any photographs of Austrian weaponry in Norway? Any information about Austrian equipment used by the 2. GJ division? All help would be heartily appreciated.

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Re: Austrian Weapons in Norway

Post by Poot » 09 Jan 2021 19:53

FiveStars,
Existing Austrian small arms were absorbed into the Wehrmacht following the Anschluss or were sold to other countries, like the majority of M1895 Mannlicher rifles and carbines were to Bulgaria. Distribution of these arms wouldn't necessarily follow along national origin lines either, and could be used by any branch of service.

I believe that particular photo is a propaganda photo taken during training.

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Re: Austrian Weapons in Norway

Post by Knouterer » 13 Jan 2021 11:20

Apparently, after the Anschluss Austrian weapons in 8x56R were put in storage or issued to police forces, but as the German war industry was unable to meet the demand for MG 34s, the M.30 LMGs were later on taken out again and issued to frontline troops.
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Re: Austrian Weapons in Norway

Post by Sid Guttridge » 13 Jan 2021 11:38

Hi Guys,

If I remember correctly, small arms possessed by the Austro-Hungarian successor states used the same round as the Germans.

If so, this would simplify logistics.

According to several sources on Google, apparently the Austrian ADMK Mulus wheel-cum-track carrier, which was used by mountain divisions, was also employed in Norway in 1940.

There is already a thread on this vehicle on AHF:

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=245952

Also: http://www.kfzderwehrmacht.de/Homepage_ ... -wark.html

Cheers,

Sid.

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Re: Austrian Weapons in Norway

Post by Poot » 13 Jan 2021 18:00

Only a minority of Austrian Mannlicher rifles and carbines (and 8X56R ammunition) were put into storage. A huge amount was sold by to Bulgaria, who sold off their own inventory in the 1990s with most of it winding up on the collector's market in the USA.

Germany used the 7.92X57 (s.S.) cartridge for domestically produced rifles and MGs, and this was incompatible with weapons chambered in 8X56R. Hungary continued use of rifles and carbines in 8X56R until 1943, when they began producing and issuing the 43M rifle, which was chambered in 7.92X57. For all intents and purposes, the 43M was a Hungarian copy of the excellent German G.98/40 rifle, which was produced in Budapest from 1941-1944.

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Re: Austrian Weapons in Norway

Post by Hans1906 » 13 Jan 2021 20:12

Question:

Was the photo colored later, I am not aware about color photographs from a former PK "Kriegsberichter"?


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