Not another MP44/AK47 story?!

[Kocur]

The ak47 prototypes are the ones that lock like copies of the sgt44,what we can say is thath they used the german rifle and made a knew one,but without the malfunctions.

The Soviet weapon on the pic you posted is not AK-47 - if we are to use designations properly. It is AK-46 No 2, which was just AK-46 No 1 with stamped receiver cover attached permanently to machined barrel trunnion/ bolt carrier rails. It actually looks like team behind AK developement took the idea from Dementiev weapon, which had StG 44 receiver layout since the beginning. AK-46 did not have StG-44-like receiver before Kalashnikov et consortes saw Dementiev entry in the competition.

It goes like this: Kalashnikov's 1944 carbine, AK-46 No 1 and AK-46 No 2 - are very closely related.
Then there was the AK-47, which was COMPLETELY redesigned weapon. The only specific desing feature left from previous line of Kalashnikov's weapons was the way bolt carrier co-worked with bolt and that was, lets say "inspired" by M1 Garand. And no, AK-47 doesnt share with StG 44 more than piston attached to bolt carrier. The weapon that AK-47 heavily took from was... Bulykin rifle, the third of the final avtomat competition entries.

[Armeiro]

The ak47 prototypes are the ones that lock like copies of the sgt44,what we can say is thath they used the german rifle and made a knew one,but without the malfunctions.

Malfunctions? What do you mean?

Wehrmann

By malfunctions,i mean in terms of design.The ak ,you can take the cover of,exposing most of the internal parts(bolt carrier,bolt,trigger,etc)and still be able to fire,but the stg44,you almost have to strip it apart.In design the ak is what she is supposed to do,simple,reliable and effective.

[Armeiro]

[quote] which was COMPLETELY redesigned weapon

Yes,but with a similar principle of function,a gas operated,selective fire firearm,that uses an intermediate cartage,the same principles the make them,assault rifles...

[Wehrmann]

The ak47 prototypes are the ones that lock like copies of the sgt44,what we can say is thath they used the german rifle and made a knew one,but without the malfunctions.

Malfunctions? What do you mean?

Wehrmann

By malfunctions,i mean in terms of design.The ak ,you can take the cover of,exposing most of the internal parts(bolt carrier,bolt,trigger,etc)and still be able to fire,but the stg44,you almost have to strip it apart.In design the ak is what she is supposed to do,simple,reliable and effective.

But on the AK47 you have the problem to install optics. And Hitler wanted optics on all of his rifles.

Wehrmann

[Armeiro]

What is the level of accuracy on the stg44 and on the ak47?

[yabint]

But on the AK47 you have the problem to install optics. And Hitler wanted optics on all of his rifles.

Wehrmann

Because the entire body is made of pressed steel the MP.44 isn't the best platform for mounting optics either.

What is the level of accuracy on the stg44 and on the ak47?

Comperable. Neither are precision weapons but both are well up the task they were designed for i.e. hitting man sized targets out to 400m.

The design however make them more intuitive to shoot than a regular rifle and the Germans found that it reduced training time.