StG 45 (M) data?

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StG 45 (M) data?

Post by KrazyKraut » 02 Feb 2007 10:49

Hello everyone!

I'm currently researching some information about this rare gun and so far I have found very contradicting stuff, so maybe any of you here has a good and reliable source...

1. What was the StG 45 (M)s empty weight? I have found data ranging from 4kg to 5.2kg... That maybe because the data of the prototype versions and the final production model got mixed up. So if anyone has reliable info on the final production model's weight I would be grateful.

2. What was its rate of fire? Again many contradictiong stuff. The Swedish page posted here last year says 650 m/s, but I saw a picture of the example incustody of the WTS Koblenz which clearly said 450 m/s...

3. Does the StG 45 eject its spent cartridges to the top?

4. I have seen pictures at the sturmgewehr.com page which seem to have a different, apparently plastic or bakkelite, handguard instead of the metal one that is usually seen. Which one was supposed to be the final version?

5. and final: Was the StG 45 supposed to be issued with that 10 rd magazine or was that just the magazine used for testing the gun?

Thanks in advance for any answers.

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Post by Ingsoc75 » 02 Feb 2007 12:53

I have some info on my other computer that I can send you later on. Most of it is from Sturmgewehr!-From Firepower to Striking Power. The other guy who may be able to help out is Dect and his website.

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Re: StG 45 (M) data?

Post by Rikard Hufschmied » 03 Feb 2007 10:37

KrazyKraut wrote:Hello everyone!

I'm currently researching some information about this rare gun and so far I have found very contradicting stuff, so maybe any of you here has a good and reliable source...

1. What was the StG 45 (M)s empty weight? I have found data ranging from 4kg to 5.2kg... That maybe because the data of the prototype versions and the final production model got mixed up. So if anyone has reliable info on the final production model's weight I would be grateful.

2. What was its rate of fire? Again many contradictiong stuff. The Swedish page posted here last year says 650 m/s, but I saw a picture of the example incustody of the WTS Koblenz which clearly said 450 m/s...

3. Does the StG 45 eject its spent cartridges to the top?

4. I have seen pictures at the sturmgewehr.com page which seem to have a different, apparently plastic or bakkelite, handguard instead of the metal one that is usually seen. Which one was supposed to be the final version?

5. and final: Was the StG 45 supposed to be issued with that 10 rd magazine or was that just the magazine used for testing the gun?

Thanks in advance for any answers.
Data for "Mauser Gerät 06 H" and "StG45 (M)"

I believe you've got the "rate of fire" and "muzzle velocity" mixed up, in any way they are the same according to the data I've got

Rate of fire: 650 rpm
Muzzle velocity: 650 m/s
Weight (empty): 4kg

- As I've never seen the StG 45 fired, few have, my guess is it ejects top right.

- The troop trail StG 45 was to have the bakelite handguard.

- The troop trail StG 45 was supposed to be issued with the 10 round magazine, but as the Haenel 30 round also fits my guess the latter would have been adopted as standard.

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Re: StG 45 (M) data?

Post by dect » 03 Feb 2007 14:02

KrazyKraut wrote: 4. I have seen pictures at the sturmgewehr.com page which seem to have a different, apparently plastic or bakkelite, handguard instead of the metal one that is usually seen. Which one was supposed to be the final version?
Hello
Do you still have those pictures? All that I've seen were with metal ones.
Rikard Hufschmied wrote:
- As I've never seen the StG 45 fired, few have, my guess is it ejects top right.
Yes, it does. According to Handrichs "Sturmgewehr!" this was one of the reasons why the weapon was rejected: gunners position was too easy to recognize.
Rikard Hufschmied wrote: - The troop trail StG 45 was to have the bakelite handguard.
Are you sure? I think that trial ones were all with metal handguards and only the final version was considered to have a bakelite one.
Rikard Hufschmied wrote: - The troop trail StG 45 was supposed to be issued with the 10 round magazine, but as the Haenel 30 round also fits my guess the latter would have been adopted as standard.
I agree.

Best regards
Jacek

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Post by DragunovSVD » 04 Feb 2007 06:25

i believe he's refering to the pic of the 'fake' StG45m, the one with the folding stock.

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Post by Rikard Hufschmied » 04 Feb 2007 09:01

This is (to my knowledge) a picture of the 0 series StG45(M) with bakelite handguard, assembled post war by the British.

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But then again so is this StG45 (obviously with a steel handguard) claimed to be, picture from Waffenmuseum Oberndorf:

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As most surviving StG45's were assembled by the British post-war, my guess is you will find a wide mix of parts as they used parts on hand, prototype parts and 0 series parts.

Both pictures are linked to the "Göta Vapenhistoriska Sällskap" collectors society webpage:

http://www.gotavapen.se

And specifically to the page covering the StG45 (in Swedish only):

http://www.gotavapen.se/gota/ak/mkb3.htm

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Waffenmuseum Oberndorf Gallery

Post by Rikard Hufschmied » 04 Feb 2007 11:29

I found a very nice picture gallery of the Waffenmuseum Oberndorf, it's well worth a look:

http://blogs.nofrag.com/Phoz/2006/oct/2 ... kler-koch/

And the display with the Mauser evolution of Selbstlade and StG designs:

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Post by dect » 04 Feb 2007 11:59

Rikard Hufschmied wrote:
http://www.gotavapen.se

And specifically to the page covering the StG45 (in Swedish only):

http://www.gotavapen.se/gota/ak/mkb3.htm
Not anymore ;) Once I asked to translate it, enjoy http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=96672

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Post by Rikard Hufschmied » 04 Feb 2007 13:36

dect wrote:
Rikard Hufschmied wrote:
http://www.gotavapen.se

And specifically to the page covering the StG45 (in Swedish only):

http://www.gotavapen.se/gota/ak/mkb3.htm
Not anymore ;) Once I asked to translate it, enjoy http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=96672
No problem as I'm Swedish :)

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Post by dect » 04 Feb 2007 15:13

Rikard Hufschmied wrote:
No problem as I'm Swedish :)
Just like my boss ;) But maybe for some it might be a little easier to read it in english ;)

Regards
Jacek

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Post by Rikard Hufschmied » 05 Feb 2007 09:04

dect wrote: Just like my boss ;) But maybe for some it might be a little easier to read it in english ;)

Regards
Jacek
True! Nice effort, the translation is kind of clunky though (language wise, no offense) maybe I can help out?

Best,
Rikard

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Post by dect » 06 Feb 2007 08:59

Rikard Hufschmied wrote:
dect wrote: Just like my boss ;) But maybe for some it might be a little easier to read it in english ;)

Regards
Jacek
True! Nice effort, the translation is kind of clunky though (language wise, no offense) maybe I can help out?

Best,
Rikard
Good idea - you can just refresh that mentioned post in "Breaking the Sound Barrier" section.

Regards
Jacek

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Post by Rikard Hufschmied » 07 Feb 2007 22:08

dect wrote:
Rikard Hufschmied wrote:
dect wrote: Just like my boss ;) But maybe for some it might be a little easier to read it in english ;)

Regards
Jacek
True! Nice effort, the translation is kind of clunky though (language wise, no offense) maybe I can help out?

Best,
Rikard
Good idea - you can just refresh that mentioned post in "Breaking the Sound Barrier" section.

Regards
Jacek
I'll do that, but first I have to apologize as it turns out that the original Swedish text is quite badly composed to start with (again no offense, just stating fact).

best,
Rik

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Over at Buddy Hinton's

Post by Rikard Hufschmied » 07 Feb 2007 22:36

It's been a while since I've had a peek at Buddy Hinton's galleries and after browsing through the images of the StG45 I found some more of the StG45 with the bakelite forearm. It is marked "V21" and is showing considerable differences from the steel forearm StG's:

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And a better shot of the StG45(M) at Waffenmuseum Oberndorf:

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All images are linked to Buddy Hinton's galleries at:
http://www.sturmgewehr.com

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Post by DragunovSVD » 08 Feb 2007 05:08

i went to that site ages ago and found nothing on the StG. where do you click? all i see is boards of sales and stuff.
the rest of the gallery is har: http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/German-WWII_Rifles/

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