Finland made 250 supressor for M91/30 and 250 for M/39 (some of them was made for M/27)rifle.
I think Russian had also model M/43 supressor
list of silenced weapons of WW2
Can anyone please tell me more about this weapon:
Is is pictured among other German WW2 firearms/prototypes ->
http://www1.ocn.ne.jp/~avro504/teppoo/icodow2.html
Unfortunatelly I can´t speak Japanese. A friend tried to translate the description: "silenced carbine ...Chardin (?) Karabiner".
There is also a drawing of a suppressed EMP smg:
Is is pictured among other German WW2 firearms/prototypes ->
http://www1.ocn.ne.jp/~avro504/teppoo/icodow2.html
Unfortunatelly I can´t speak Japanese. A friend tried to translate the description: "silenced carbine ...Chardin (?) Karabiner".
There is also a drawing of a suppressed EMP smg:
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For pictures of suppressed firearms used by Allied special forces:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=16132
You may also have a look at "Infantriewaffen Gestern" by Reiner Lidschun and Gunter Wollert. All drawings in the book are based on real photos. Unfortunatelly i don´t have a scanner, so I can´t post the drawings.
@MAX_theHitMan
I´ve never seen pictures of German soldiers.
There may be several reasons:
1. Allied special forces were often displayed as "Gangsters" by German propaganda because of the covert and hidden nature of their operations. So you won´t find pictures official pictures of German soldiers using suppressed weapons, because theese guns were displayed in propaganda as an "unhonorable weapon" used by the enemy. Of course German special forces also used suppressed firearms.
2. Almost all German suppressed firearms were extremly rare or even only prototypes. The only suppressed firearms which have combat in small numbers (at least according to my research) were the suppressor for the K98k (snipers on the Eastern front). Probably the Mp 751(e) may have seen combat in 1944, but I have no reliable sources ( there is also a claim use of modified suppressed Austrian M16 machine pistolsby Brandenburgers, but again no "hard" sources). At least suppressed Stens were extensivly evaluated by the SS. And I´ve seen a document (from the first half of 1944, can´t remember the exact date), that Otto Skorzeny (as a result of these tests) demanded urgendly to equip German special forces with suppressed Stens (the same document also mentioned succesful tests with captured Welrod pistols and Nagant revolvers with German suppressors. But the document didn´t mention plans to equip special forces with these guns.
3. The probaly most used suppressor, the HUB-23 for K98K, was similar in apperance to te German "Schießbecher" rifle grenade and the "Schießbecher" was quite popular among German forces. Probably some pictures claiming to show the "Schießbecher" may in fact show the HUB-23.
My research has identified three incidents with confirmed (and not suppossed) use of suppressed firearms by German "forces"
1. HUB-23 used by German snipers on the Eastern front
2. A "pistol with an unusual large suppressor" was used in the assassination of Openhoff in Aachen by "Wehrwolf" "forces" in April 1945. According to a witness, who had worked in the factory of Walther in Oberndorf, he had seen a similar pistol in Oberndorf, so the gun may have been a PPK or a P38.
3. According to the documentary play "Die Ermittlung" by Peter Weiß (great book by the way!), a suppressed rifle was used in the concentration camp of Auschwitz to kill detainees. Weiß was witness to the "Auschwitz trials" in the early 60s.
Of course these plain murders of 2, and 3, have nothing to do with any combat use!
If any pictures of German soldiers with suppressed firearms exist (I highly doubt it), these are certainly extremly rare.
For pictures of suppressed firearms used by Allied special forces:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=16132
You may also have a look at "Infantriewaffen Gestern" by Reiner Lidschun and Gunter Wollert. All drawings in the book are based on real photos. Unfortunatelly i don´t have a scanner, so I can´t post the drawings.
@MAX_theHitMan
I´ve never seen pictures of German soldiers.
There may be several reasons:
1. Allied special forces were often displayed as "Gangsters" by German propaganda because of the covert and hidden nature of their operations. So you won´t find pictures official pictures of German soldiers using suppressed weapons, because theese guns were displayed in propaganda as an "unhonorable weapon" used by the enemy. Of course German special forces also used suppressed firearms.
2. Almost all German suppressed firearms were extremly rare or even only prototypes. The only suppressed firearms which have combat in small numbers (at least according to my research) were the suppressor for the K98k (snipers on the Eastern front). Probably the Mp 751(e) may have seen combat in 1944, but I have no reliable sources ( there is also a claim use of modified suppressed Austrian M16 machine pistolsby Brandenburgers, but again no "hard" sources). At least suppressed Stens were extensivly evaluated by the SS. And I´ve seen a document (from the first half of 1944, can´t remember the exact date), that Otto Skorzeny (as a result of these tests) demanded urgendly to equip German special forces with suppressed Stens (the same document also mentioned succesful tests with captured Welrod pistols and Nagant revolvers with German suppressors. But the document didn´t mention plans to equip special forces with these guns.
3. The probaly most used suppressor, the HUB-23 for K98K, was similar in apperance to te German "Schießbecher" rifle grenade and the "Schießbecher" was quite popular among German forces. Probably some pictures claiming to show the "Schießbecher" may in fact show the HUB-23.
My research has identified three incidents with confirmed (and not suppossed) use of suppressed firearms by German "forces"
1. HUB-23 used by German snipers on the Eastern front
2. A "pistol with an unusual large suppressor" was used in the assassination of Openhoff in Aachen by "Wehrwolf" "forces" in April 1945. According to a witness, who had worked in the factory of Walther in Oberndorf, he had seen a similar pistol in Oberndorf, so the gun may have been a PPK or a P38.
3. According to the documentary play "Die Ermittlung" by Peter Weiß (great book by the way!), a suppressed rifle was used in the concentration camp of Auschwitz to kill detainees. Weiß was witness to the "Auschwitz trials" in the early 60s.
Of course these plain murders of 2, and 3, have nothing to do with any combat use!
If any pictures of German soldiers with suppressed firearms exist (I highly doubt it), these are certainly extremly rare.
Great link on German Suppressors for rifles in WW2 (unfortunatelly in Italian)
http://www.worldwar.it/armi/silenziator ... ww2/fr.asp
http://www.worldwar.it/armi/silenziator ... ww2/fr.asp
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Colt Ace with Parker Hale supressor
The English bought a few Colt aces (22LR) (via Fabrique Nationale in 1931) and equipped them with Parker Hale "sound moderators".
They supposedly dropped a few of them off to some European undergrounds.
They supposedly dropped a few of them off to some European undergrounds.
