Dreyse MG18 need help

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Re: Dreyse MG18 need help

Post by LA MITRAILLE » 23 May 2011 20:14

Dreyse is a little firm, and they tried to build machine guns before the WWI war (model 1912).
I think the army bought nearly 3000 pieces between 1917 and 1918. It's not a experimental machine gun!

Just before WWII in 1936, they made a new machine gun; it's the MG 13!
It's not a cavalry MG, but a light machine gun. And i am sure that the old dreyse from WWI were not converted into MG 13.
I have the 2 guns, and when i compare them, only few pieces are identical....it's impossible to make the conversion.
It's like if i say the italian car fiat were converted into ferrari :D :D

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Re: Dreyse MG18 need help

Post by silviu-angel » 24 May 2011 17:17

the firm name is Rheinische Metallwaren und Maschinenfabrik(rheinmetall ), Dreyse is the name of guns in honor of Johann Nikolaus von Dreyse , founder of firm
machine gun dreyse is Louis Schmeisser project , and his apprentice Louis Stange
Breech mecanism for self--loading firearm 909,233 12 Jan 1909 (Assigned to Rheinische Metallwaren und Maschinenfabrik
The final type is Modell 1917 , a simplified model ,made after Louis Schmeisser dead , in 1917 by Stange
if you whant more informations try the book „The Machine gun” by George M. Chinn part 3 page 216-and part 4 page 364 :idea:

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Re: Dreyse MG18 need help

Post by audrew » 31 May 2011 07:29

drawiwngs machine gun Dreyse
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Post by audrew » 31 May 2011 19:33

drawiwngs machine gun Dreyse
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Post by audrew » 02 Jun 2011 08:04

drawiwngs machine gun Dreyse
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Re: Dreyse MG18 need help

Post by audrew » 05 Jun 2011 14:05

What is the correct name of this weapon on the basis of operating instructions
Dreyse 08/15, Bergman m 1915, Bergmann MG15: a water-cooled mg of German design, originating as the MG10 as a domestic substitute for the 08. At the time, so many 08s were in service that only a few test models were produced. By 1915 the need for new mgs at the Front had become so great that production began under the designation MG15 ???
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Re: Dreyse MG18 need help

Post by audrew » 18 Jun 2011 18:39

Museum of Struggle and the Army of the Czech Republic in Prague, exposes this weapon as a 7.92 mm heavy machine gun Bergmann vz.1915
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Re: Dreyse MG18 need help

Post by audrew » 20 Jun 2011 10:49

MASCHINENGEWEHR DREYSE m1915
Machine gun based on the patent of Louis Schmeisser of 1907.
weapons water cooled
ammo 7,92X57 Mauser
supply belt 250 rounds
rate of fire 600 rpm
http://artarmsantik.com/pliki/temat_p.php?id=227
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Re: Dreyse MG18 need help

Post by audrew » 01 Sep 2011 18:23

the perpetrator of the great confusion - Bergman m1910, Dreyse m1912 Louisa Schmeisera
Dreyse MG15, Bergman MG 15, Bergman MG 15 n/A Louisa and Hugo Schmeisera
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Re: Dreyse MG18 need help

Post by LA MITRAILLE » 18 Oct 2011 05:43

Hello,

MG 15 is a wrong designation, it's a WWII airplane's machine gun; the good one is LMG 15...

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Re: Dreyse MG18 need help

Post by audrew » 18 Oct 2011 14:05

Hello
without the original manual of arms as it was difficult to determine :cry:
http://landships.activeboard.com/t11036297/lmg-mix-up/
but I agree air cooled machine gun- luftgekühlten Maschinengewehr

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Re: Dreyse MG18 need help

Post by silviu-angel » 18 Oct 2011 22:01

bergmann mg 15 is modell 1910 on mg 08 mount
dreyse last model is in 1917
bergmann lmg 15 a/a aircraft gun

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Re: Dreyse MG18 need help

Post by audrew » 20 Oct 2011 17:33

dreyse muskete ?
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Re: Dreyse MG18 need help

Post by silviu-angel » 03 Dec 2011 22:52

vollmer Volksmaschinengewehr VMG-27

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Re: Dreyse MG18 need help

Post by audrew » 06 Dec 2011 17:11

nothing is known for sure - confused jumble
http://ww2.rediscov.com/spring/VFPCGI.e ... SE=objects,

This is one of a number of items the Springfield Armory Museum received in 1920 from Captain J.L. Aney. Captain Aney was stationed in Europe with the Ordnance Department and assigned to the "Captured Material Section" in WWI. Aney was ordered to secure items for the Springfield Armory Museum. This weapon is listed on the Receiving Report as Item No. 181 and is described as: "German Dreyse gound type machine gun equipped with spare parts, bipod mount, magazine, belt deflect-or steam tube and magazine."
Weapon transferred to the Museum on 24 March 1920.

Notes: "Used by the German army in reasonable numbers during the First World War, the 7.92mm Dreyse machine-gun Model MG10 was overshawdowed by the much more successful Maschinengewehr 08. Water-cooled and short-recoil operated, it was tripod mounted and had a higher than average cyclic rate of fire. A modified version, the MG15, was introduced in 1915 in order to meet the need for a light machine-gun in Palestine and Turkey." - Bruce

"The brochure of 1912 describer a water-cooled, belt-fed, recoil-operated machinegun that included certain features which became recognized as characteristic of the Dreyse and its descendants. The receiver cover was hinged at the front end and contained the mainspring. When the cover was raised, the spring was disengaged from the bolt, and the feed mechanism was exposed. The backplate and a short section of the floor of the receiver contained the complete firing mechanism. The group was also hinged at the front and could be dropped down for inspection or disassembly. The bolt and its pivoted lock were carried in the barrel extension.
The gun was provided both with iron sights and with a 3-power telescope. The tripod had small wheels and a steel shield. This early gun had no particular Model designation and, so far as in now known, was never sold. By the time it appeared on the market, most countries had already adopted one of the well-known machine-guns; for example, the Maxim, the Hotchkiss, the Schwarzlose, or the Colt. To displace these well-known established sytems proved to be virtually impossible.
After the outbreak of World War I, when the need for lighter machineguns was recognized by all the participants, several versions of the Dreyse were tried in combat by the German Army to limited extent. Although several changes and modifiations were incorporated into these guns, they were not adopted as standard during that war. The several variations are sometimes referred to as Models of certain years, but such designations probably were unofficial and might have originated only with the manufacturer. It is known for a fact that the 1912 brochure on the original Dreyse machinegun did not assign any Model number to the weapon. It is also known that some of the later guns are marked only with the word 'Dreyse,' without any other designation.
The first guns tried in World War I were probably identical with the gun offered in 1912. They fired the standard 7.9 x 57mm Mauser cartridge and were intended for firing from a tripod. The German Army is reported to have used 3,000 Dreyse machineguns in the Palestine area during the war. This was probably considered a combat trial. An unknown quantity of Dreyse guns was supplied to Bulgaria. They used the Bulgarian cartridge.
Shortly after the war began, there were demands for easily portable machineguns, and a little later came the experimental program to develop a universal machinegun for use in the heavy, light, or antiaircraft role. The water-cooled, belt-fed Dreyse guns that competed in this program had a mounting bracket underneath that was compatible with the bipod of the MG 08/15. They could also use a detachable metallic stock, and they fired the standard rifle cartridge from the standard Maxim belt.
The modifications that werelled by springs....
During and after World War I, the Sommerda works continued its development of the water-cooled, belt-fed version of the Dreyse machinegun. Although it was never produced in any significant quantity, the improved gun received the official army designation 'MG14.' This model used the Maxim belt and fired from the closed-bolt position. Its principal recognition feature was a single spade-grip firing handle at the rear of the receiver. Rheinmetall offered this model in catalogs as late as 1929, without disclosing its official army designation. With the coming of the project which produced the MG34, the few existing MG 14's became obsolete." - Musgrave

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