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Re: Dreyse MG18 need help

Post by audrew » 04 Feb 2012 11:11

http://www.kodges.ru/115934-faustniki-v-boyu.html

An experimental model of MG 18
The draft, developed by MAN, was placed a machine gun MG 08/15. Submission of machine gun ammo belt was carried out. As a result, the model compared favorably with models and the Draize Gast, attached to which is very heavy shopping. In addition, the gun was equipped with a special unit, which allowed to use it against the tank and against aircraft. Prototype during the test proved to be very good, although it was not without some drawbacks. Among the major shortcomings were falling out of machine gun ammo belts, breaking the tape itself at a high rate of fire, and the high returns that during long-term use of the machine gun led to the deformation stops, on which stood the test sample. M.A.N. quickly eliminate these drawbacks, and in August 1918 began mass production of heavy machine guns, which so sorely needed in Germany. There are two types of information that tell about the number of guns produced by this model, called the MG 18. They are radically different from each other. Some authors argue that before the armistice was produced only 50 units, but in fact it was mass production scheduled for 1919. Other authors argue that in a short time in Germany was made 4000 guns, more complete sets of parts, which were made nearly about fifty contractors. By the time Germany's defeat in the war, this armada waiting assembly. To prevent the penetration of this highly successful from a tactical point of view of a machine gun in the hands of the Western Allies, the Germans destroyed most of the time of the nodes. However, both figures seem fantastic: 4000 - too big, and 50 - is too meager. One way or another, but in St. Petersburg store model, which has the number 131, and this proves the fact that in 1918, MG 18 in Germany was clearly more than fifty. If you go back to 1918, then we can find that in April 1918 in conjunction with the release of the tank rifles Mauser in Germany, work continued on the development of anti-caliber machine gun. As mentioned above, its preparation was entrusted to the production of six German companies. In the summer of 1918 the company "Forverk" demonstrated an upgraded model of the machine gun, developed by Carl Gastaut syndrome at the beginning of the war. At first glance it was a very unusual weapon, as the gun had been paired. Before that, nobody in the world has ever seen a machine gun with two barrels and two separate gates. At the same bullets came immediately to both mechanisms. This allowed the gun to produce Gast 1800 rounds per minute, which is significantly higher than the rate of the then-guns. Machine Gun Gast was equipped with two stores, drums, each of which was located on 180 rounds of 7.9 mm. The very same gun weighed in at the end of about 25 pounds. As a result, Gast gun was used not only to fight with the infantry. He was installed on the aircraft and used with some success in aerial combat. There is evidence that before the end of the war were fired about 3,000 guns. Much of this weaponry has been destroyed almost immediately after the signing of the Treaty of Versailles. Modification of the anti-gun Gast was calculated in 13-mm cartridge. At the same time much weight by the machine gun. No shops, he weighed 55 kilograms. At the same time dropped its rate, large-caliber ammunition he could fire at a rate of 550-600 rounds per minute. In addition, the drums were replaced box magazine with a capacity of 120 rounds each. Each of these stores of ammunition weighed 20 pounds. That is, in a combat state anti-gun Gast weighed about hundredweight. Despite the fact that during the testing machine gun proved to be a perfect weapon, its mass production was never started. It existed in a single copy, which until 1945 was kept in the War Department. In May of 1945 as a trophy gun was captured by the Red Army. At the same time in July 1918 the company "Rhine metal" presented to the military a 13-millimeter gun Draize, which was a modified version of the musket Draize, on the basis of which was developed by the machine gun MG 13. The main drawback of the modified anti-tank gun model was too much weight on the store, which is modeled on the Lewis machine gun was a drum. There were two versions of the store, which was calculated at 60 and 90 rounds respectively. When you use the store for 60 rounds Barrel cooling occurred at the expense of a special water jacket, which had to fill about 9 liters of water. As a result, in the most minimal set an anti-gun weighed 52 pounds Draize, while having a fairly small rate - only 250 rounds per minute. Despite all the drawbacks and disadvantages of the project, the Commission for acceptance of new types of guns found it interesting and even promising. However, for its introduction into the production needed to eliminate all bugs. At the same time in July 1918 the company "Rheinmetall" presented to the military a 13-millimeter gun Draize, which was a modified version of the musket Draize, on the basis of which was developed by the machine gun MG 13. The main drawback of the modified anti-tank gun model was too much weight on the store, which is modeled on the Lewis machine gun was a drum. There were two versions of the store, which was calculated at 60 and 90 rounds respectively. When you use the store for 60 rounds Barrel cooling occurred at the expense of a special water jacket, which had to fill about 9 liters of water. As a result, in the most minimal set an anti-gun weighed 52 pounds Draize, while having a fairly small rate - only 250 rounds per minute. Despite all the drawbacks and disadvantages of the project, the Commission for acceptance of new types of guns found it interesting and even promising. However, for its introduction into the production needed to eliminate all bugs. Finally, we developed two projects that have undertaken as a basis for a classic machine gun Maxim. One of them was created by the design office in the infantry, and the second is designed to MAN, which was one of the producers of MY 08/15. Field testing of the first model ended in complete failure. After the second shot is the breech of the gun inadvertently opened and the engine was severely damaged. The second model was more successful.

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Re: Dreyse MG18 need help

Post by guest » 21 Apr 2012 19:44

@LA MITRAILLE
"MG 15 is a wrong designation,...." no it's not a wrong designation the same number was used in world war two and in world war one with different types of machine guns

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Re: Dreyse MG18 need help

Post by LA MITRAILLE » 25 Apr 2012 15:19

Hello,

On WWI machine guns, it's writte LMG 15

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And on WWII Mg's; it's writte MG 15

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Re: Dreyse MG18 need help

Post by silviu-angel » 27 Apr 2012 18:10

my friends in case of bergmann machine gun guest have right MG 15 Bergmann is a short life variant of MG 10 with little modification to fit on mg 08 mount

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Re: Dreyse MG18 need help

Post by audrew » 13 Jul 2012 12:48

dreyse m1912 machine gun and vickers mount
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Re: Dreyse MG18 need help

Post by BRMCII » 03 Nov 2012 04:32

The Dreyse M1912/1918 was a watercooled MMG,tripod mounted and using the standard German MG08 belt in 7.92x57. The picture above is of the M12/18 but the mount is not a Vickers mount and is the mount used with the Dreyse MG. The Dreyse was fitted with a bracket to hold the standard Mg08/15 belt drum that held a belt of 100 rounds. This Mg was not a sucessful competitor to the Maxim for a variety of reasons, in particular the complex feed mechanism design.
The MG13 was a later evolution of the M12/18 but air cooled and is NOT a conversion of the water cooled MG which is a popular misconception. The barrels are not interchangeable and neither are the bolt carriers. The bolts are interchangeable with some minor modifications, but the receivers are different, one being fitted with spade grips and the other with a pistol grip.
In my collection I have examples of both weapons that are live and functional, although I do not have the correct tripod for the M12/18 water cooled MMG unfortunately. If anyone knows the whereabouts of a tripod as pictured above, and can help me obtain it, I have a lot of money for you!

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Re: Dreyse MG18 need help

Post by silviu-angel » 03 Nov 2012 10:42

a little help in book "Weapons Mounts for secondary armament " pages 392 (for Louis Schmeisser mount) , 152 and 454 for Dreyse mg in Fiat armored car mount (in Mexico Army 1913). On page 383 Bergmann mount , similar to Dreyse mount
for close view a tripod mount try British patent number 16,618 from 1911 and for mechanism of Dreyse mg US PATENT 909,233 from jan.1909

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Re: Dreyse MG18 need help

Post by audrew » 03 Dec 2012 10:33

Fliegabwehr - Dreyse m1912 MG
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Re: Dreyse MG18 need help

Post by audrew » 21 Mar 2013 19:20

7,92 mm Dreyse m1912 machine gun
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Re: Dreyse MG18 need help

Post by audrew » 25 Apr 2013 15:28

Dreyse Muskete m1918 ?
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Re: Dreyse MG18 need help

Post by LA MITRAILLE » 16 May 2013 13:10

Hello,

It's a WWII MG 13!

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Re: Dreyse MG18 need help

Post by karlik » 05 Sep 2013 19:08

I saw this photo signed "7,92 mm light mashine gun "Dreyse-muskete" M.1918. Prototype".
Possible Dreyse-muskete M.1918=Dreyse MG 18

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Post by audrew » 09 Oct 2014 10:41

Finnish L-33 wondrous resemblance to the MG18 Dreyse Musket
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