Stg 44 with IR equipment in action

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Stg 44 with IR equipment in action

Post by pz.beob.wg. » 13 Jul 2009 19:21

Hello!
I am interested in information about the use of IR(Stg 44 with Zielgerat 1229 Vampir) equipment in the war?
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Re: Stg 44 with IR equipment in action

Post by DARIVS ARCHITECTVS » 14 Jul 2009 04:49

A most rare implement indeed. Never made it past prototype testing stage but showed much promise. It was awkward and heavy as well as being limited in range. There are rumors that a very few made it into the fighting but nothing has ever been established. Only a few photos showing a British soldier posing with it remain. There may be one in some private collection somewhere, but it has never showed up publically. Reenactors using one would look ridiculous and out of place.

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Re: Stg 44 with IR equipment in action

Post by Ingsoc75 » 17 Jul 2009 03:36

Do a search for Vampir and Nachtjager on here for more info.

Darvis, you never answered my post on mg42.us about the internal mechanics of the Stg44. ;)

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Re: Stg 44 with IR equipment in action

Post by DARIVS ARCHITECTVS » 17 Jul 2009 10:07

Actually I did answer that post. The mechanism is too complex to describe even with pictures. There are several interlocks that 1) prevent the hammer from being released without the bolt being completely in battery, and 2) interlock of the selector switch that holds the disconnector in such a way that full auto fire is possible. I do not have pictures that can properly describe how the parts interact. A 3-d model of all the parts (animated) is necessary to convey the info you want.

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Re: Stg 44 with IR equipment in action

Post by Ingsoc75 » 17 Jul 2009 13:42

A 3-d model of all the parts (animated) is necessary to convey the info you want.


That's why I posted some 3d renders of the area. I was hoping maybe you could throw them into windows paint or photoshop and do a quick label of the areas you are talking about.

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Re: Stg 44 with IR equipment in action

Post by Ingsoc75 » 19 Jul 2009 21:48

Here is a photo of the bildwandler rifle sight, lamp and reflector and the secondary battery in a gas mask canister:
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Re: Stg 44 with IR equipment in action

Post by matzittr » 25 Jul 2009 11:42

What is Missing on this picture is the Infraredfilterglas of the Lamp.

I used a later Modell of this, in the mid 80s with Hk G3 (a later Stug45).

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Re: Stg 44 with IR equipment in action

Post by Ts4EVER » 30 Jul 2009 12:25

AFAIK it was used alongside IR equipped Panthers during the defence of Berlin by the Panzer Division Müncheberg. StG44 equipped soldiers would ride on the tanks during the night.

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Re: Stg 44 with IR equipment in action

Post by dect » 31 Jul 2009 12:36

Brian Bedwell wrote:Here is a photo of the bildwandler rifle sight, lamp and reflector and the secondary battery in a gas mask canister:


Do you know how to get in touch with Clive Elliot? This is an exceptional picture and I'd like to ask him couple of questions.

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Re: Stg 44 with IR equipment in action

Post by Ingsoc75 » 01 Aug 2009 19:11

Sorry Jacek, I only heard of this guy from the article I found somewhere online.

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Re: Stg 44 with IR equipment in action

Post by Ingsoc75 » 07 Aug 2009 10:31

ZG 1229 Vampir scope at the WTS Museum in Koblenz:
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Re: Stg 44 with IR equipment in action

Post by dect » 14 Aug 2009 01:32

Brian Bedwell wrote:ZG 1229 Vampir scope at the WTS Museum in Koblenz:


THAT IS AMAZING PICTURE!!! 8O :o

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Re: Stg 44 with IR equipment in action

Post by Ingsoc75 » 14 Aug 2009 15:06

dect wrote:
Brian Bedwell wrote:ZG 1229 Vampir scope at the WTS Museum in Koblenz:


THAT IS AMAZING PICTURE!!! 8O :o


Jacek, I felt the same way when I found this photo on Flicker of all places. :D

If anybody lives near Koblenz or plans to go there in the future, I would be very grateful if they could get some more photos of this.

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Re: Stg 44 with IR equipment in action

Post by Thranx20 » 24 Aug 2009 11:06

Sorry for necroing the thread; but what is that sticking out on the side of the sight? A connector for wiring/power cord?

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Re: Stg 44 with IR equipment in action

Post by dect » 28 Aug 2009 15:55

Thranx20 wrote:Sorry for necroing the thread; but what is that sticking out on the side of the sight? A connector for wiring/power cord?


Exactly.

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