German MGs Id

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Re: German MGs Id

Post by Hisname » 20 Apr 2020 12:38

Yes, that's right, this is the Vickers Class E aircraft machine gun.
And yes, quite right, the notation "Class" was used for commercial modifications.
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Re: German MGs Id

Post by LineDoggie » 21 Apr 2020 21:04

Interesting that with a long established cooperation between HMG & Vickers that the RAF went with Colt/Brownings when modern fighters were adopted
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Re: German MGs Id

Post by Sturm78 » 29 Apr 2020 20:13

Hi all,

Can someboy identify these Japanese machine guns ?

https://ru-artillery.livejournal.com/519181.html
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Re: German MGs Id

Post by Hisname » 29 Apr 2020 23:42

Type 92 HMG
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These machine guns, the Japanese removed from their tanks Type-2592.
And installed on improvised mounts. Therefore, they have such an extravagant appearance.
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Re: German MGs Id

Post by Sturm78 » 30 Apr 2020 14:32

Thanks for your help and for aditional images, Hisname.. :)
A very rare weapon, indeed...

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Re: German MGs Id

Post by Sturm78 » 01 May 2020 11:58

Hi all,

Can somebody identify these machine guns ?

The mount of the machin gun to the right seems a standard Sokolov mount, so I think the machine gun coulb be a 7.62mm Maxim M1905 or M1910

But, What about the machine gun to the left ? The mount is similar to the Sokolov but ita have some differencies.... :?

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Re: German MGs Id

Post by Hisname » 01 May 2020 13:01

These are Russian machine guns Maxim M1910. Judging by the muzzle brake, the barrels of both machine guns were replaced by German ones. From 7.62x54r to 7.92x57. The same muzzle brake is used on the MG-08 and it is completely unsuitable for the Russian Maxim. Machine gun on the right on the early mount Sokolov M1910. Machine gun left on wheeled mount Vickers M1910.
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Re: German MGs Id

Post by Hisname » 01 May 2020 13:16

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Re: German MGs Id

Post by Sturm78 » 01 May 2020 14:19

Hisname wrote
These are Russian machine guns Maxim M1910. Judging by the muzzle brake, the barrels of both machine guns were replaced by German ones. From 7.62x54r to 7.92x57. The same muzzle brake is used on the MG-08 and it is completely unsuitable for the Russian Maxim. Machine gun on the right on the early mount Sokolov M1910
Hi Hisname.

About the machinegun to the right.
Was possible to change simply the barrel of the machine gun without to do changes to the other mechanisms of the machinegun ?
Or perhaps it is a entire 7.92mm MG08 machine gun on a captured Sokolov Russian mount ?....
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Machine gun left on wheeled mount Vickers M1910.
About the machinegun to the left
Ummmhhh..... I never heard of a "Vickers M1910 wheeled mount"... :? Do you have any information about this ?
Apart, this machine gun seems to have a wrap around the barrel and a small shield... :?

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Re: German MGs Id

Post by Hisname » 02 May 2020 01:53

Sturm78 wrote:
01 May 2020 14:19

About the machinegun to the right.
Was possible to change simply the barrel of the machine gun without to do changes to the other mechanisms of the machinegun ?
Or perhaps it is a entire 7.92mm MG08 machine gun on a captured Sokolov Russian mount ?....

About the machinegun to the left
Ummmhhh..... I never heard of a "Vickers M1910 wheeled mount"... :? Do you have any information about this ?
Apart, this machine gun seems to have a wrap around the barrel and a small shield... :?

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When remaking the Russian machine gun Maxim into German, he replaced the barrel, the tape receiver and the sight. In 90% of cases, the sign “S” was applied to the cover of the casing.

Here is a photo of the converted Russian Maxim M1905.
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The Germans had excellent supply and I do not recall the cases when MG-08 was installed on Sokolov's mount.

The Vickers M1910 machine was used exclusively in the Russian army. The British had a similar one, but the Russian Military Department insisted that the mount be modernized. And wheels and a shield were attached to it.It was produced for a very short time, it was quickly replaced by the Sokolov mount.
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A protective armored casing and a shield from the German MG-08 are installed on the machine gun. In Russian Maxim, he was attached without problems.
Such photos often come across.
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Re: German MGs Id

Post by Sturm78 » 02 May 2020 10:04

Thanks, Hisname

Therefore, we have

To the right, a Russian Maxim M1910 on Sokolov mount modified by Germans with 7.92mm MG8 barrels and other changes
To the left, a Russian Vickers M1910 modified by Germans in the same manner.

Vickers M1910 was the designation of the whole set (machine gun and mount) or just the mount ?

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Re: German MGs Id

Post by Hisname » 02 May 2020 10:38

This is a separate name.
To be completely precise, the full name is: "Vickers Tripod of 1910" or "Wheeled Vickers Tripod of 1910".
Like other tripods and wheeled mounts, she was on her own, without a machine gun.
How to mounts:
Soklov M1910, Sokolov M1916, Kolesnikov, Vickers M1906, Vickers M1909, Vickers M19010, and many others. The description is given in a separate book.
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Download this description here:
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Re: German MGs Id

Post by Hisname » 02 May 2020 10:55

These are drawings from another description:
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Re: German MGs Id

Post by Sturm78 » 04 May 2020 19:00

Thanks, Hisname... :wink:

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