German MGs Id

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Re: German MGs Id

Post by Hisname » 29 Oct 2020 12:41

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Hi all,

Is this an 7.62mm DT soviet machinegun ?

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Thank you very much, great photo. I haven't seen him before.
And the photo is not a DT(ДТ - Дегтярев Танковый - Degtyarev Tankovyiy) , this is an aircraft modification - DA (Дегтярев Авиационный - Degtyarev Aviatsionnyiy). It features a short "butt" and special sights. But the most interesting and different thing is the leather strap on the disk magazine.
It is needed so that during aviation maneuvers the cover of the disk magazine does not open.
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Re: German MGs Id

Post by Hisname » 29 Oct 2020 12:49

The double machine gun's stocks are also different, but their disk magazines are the same.
In the last photo, a twin aircraft machine gun is mounted on a naval boat. In such cases, special flash hider arresters are used.
Aircraft Degtyarev was produced from 1930 to 1932 and 12914 units were produced. The double modification was produced from 1930 to 1935 and 16040 units were produced.
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Re: German MGs Id

Post by Sturm78 » 30 Oct 2020 18:18

Thank you very much for your information and additional images, Hisname... :wink:

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Re: German MGs Id

Post by Sturm78 » 29 Jan 2021 21:31

Hi all,

I need help with these Breda-SAFAT machine guns. 7.7mm or 12.7mm ?? :?

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Re: German MGs Id

Post by von thoma » 29 Jan 2021 23:35

First machine gun picture has 12.70 mm cartridges
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Re: German MGs Id

Post by LineDoggie » 30 Jan 2021 00:00

Sturm78 wrote:
29 Jan 2021 21:31
Hi all,

I need help with these Breda-SAFAT machine guns. 7.7mm or 12.7mm ?? :?

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looks very 12.7
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Re: German MGs Id

Post by Poot » 30 Jan 2021 08:09

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GREAT photo!
Excellent representation of a 12.7 Breda and a Carcano TS Carbine!

This has the feel of a very late war/RSI photo. Do you have any other information about it?

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Re: German MGs Id

Post by Sturm78 » 30 Jan 2021 18:28

Thanks for your answers.

So the first machine gun is a 12.7mm. Any ideas about the second one?

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Re: German MGs Id

Post by Sturm78 » 03 Feb 2021 15:22

HI all,

Not German but....Can somebody identify this twin machine gun ?

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Re: German MGs Id

Post by LineDoggie » 03 Feb 2021 23:10

Vickers copies, look to be Japanese Navy type 97
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Re: German MGs Id

Post by Sturm78 » 03 Feb 2021 23:46

LineDoggie wrote
Vickers copies, look to be Japanese Navy type 97
Ummmhhh... the image is taken in Spain during the Civil War....so I don`t think Japanese

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Re: German MGs Id

Post by audrew » 04 Feb 2021 11:57

http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerzas/ ... Howson.htm
Ametralladora aereas Vickers, barco Warmond 100 pcs, 1936 SEPEWE, J.Herse, Varsovia
The French type machine gun specifically built for Aviation use has a smaller radiator, without a flash hider when it comes to an 11 MM weapon.

When it is a 7.7 weapon, the classic Vickers flash hider can be mounted but requires a special sleeve marked Sleeve for flash hider, the same for the blank firing plug which only exists in 7.7 and requires a piece marked White Shooting Sleeve.

The barrels are manufactured specifically for this weapon in 7.7 or 11 mm.

The 11 mm weapon feeds only from the right.

The Land Shooting sights are not removed, but are foldable.

The recoil booster is marked M.A.S.E.G.P for Manufacture d'Armes de Saint Etienne, Grande Power
Vickers delivered to Poland and sold in 1936 by SEPEWE had the caliber 7.92 mauser
https://www.histavia21.net/amaviapag/mi ... kers_d.htm
https://forum.odkrywca.pl/topic/503380- ... /#comments
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Re: German MGs Id

Post by Sturm78 » 04 Feb 2021 20:58

Thank you very much for your answer, audrew. :wink:

However, the origin of these weapons is not very clear to me.
Apparently it is a Vickers design (Model E ?? :? ) for aviation and that was manufactured in France by MAC.
It was also used by Poland in caliber 7.92mm, sold by .... France? :?
But who sold these machine guns to Spanish Republic, France or Poland? :?

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Re: German MGs Id

Post by audrew » 04 Feb 2021 21:49

Poland bought in France in 1925 as an armament for the SPAD aircraft and in 1936 sold it to Spain

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Re: German MGs Id

Post by Sturm78 » 04 Feb 2021 22:39

Ok, audrew... Very grateful for your clarification :)

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