Best weapon ?

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Post by gabriel pagliarani » 16 May 2003, 11:41

The only real effective weapon (not only in WW2 but in any time) is....the intelligent determination to survive of the winners. Human brain is the only true lethal weapon. Small Vietnam defeated USA because communists were determinated to win or to die: darts against B-52s.

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Post by Vatch » 16 May 2003, 21:14

the only downfall of the stg is the butt. it would usually crack if you were using it for hand to hand. good for house clearing not house bashing :lol:


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Post by Timo » 16 May 2003, 21:20

Vatch wrote:the only downfall of the stg is the butt. it would usually crack if you were using it for hand to hand. good for house clearing not house bashing :lol:
...And your source is?

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Post by Mark V » 16 May 2003, 21:44

Timo,

It is hardly fault of weapon if supply of Kurz ammunition was limited and troops were not trained to use the new weapon properly. Single shots in all other situations other than defence against short range infantry attack and rolling over enemy trenches...


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Post by Juha Tompuri » 16 May 2003, 21:48

Timo,

What´s the main reason you don´t "approve" Sturmgewehr:
1 - calibre
2- type of action
3- magazine capacity
4- semi auto/ auto mode
5-

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Post by Timo » 16 May 2003, 21:49

Mark, I know. But I just want to point out that what's considered perfect by others does have it's drawbacks.

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Post by Timo » 16 May 2003, 21:53

Juha, nothing in particular, just it's rate of fire which gave the above mentioned unit a very serious problem.

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Post by Caldric » 16 May 2003, 22:21

Mark V wrote:Timo,

It is hardly fault of weapon if supply of Kurz ammunition was limited and troops were not trained to use the new weapon properly. Single shots in all other situations other than defence against short range infantry attack and rolling over enemy trenches...


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Yes but since it had a major drawback then it could hardly be the best weapon, I would prefer the M1-Garand over the G44 anyway, the 44 looks weak and fragile. Can pry open doors with the M1. But I suppose this is just German weapons so I will say no more on that..

But best weapon is so much open to be almost impossible to answer. The Kar 98 for instance did not come out of WWII.

At any rate the 44 did not have enough impact on the war to say it was the best weapon, much like the Me262. Yeah it was cool and looked cool but was it really practical? The Soviet SMG or whatever was as good as the 44 and as effective, although it was not "cool" looking.

If we are talking about personal weapons though the K98 was a good reliable rifle that had far more impact on the war then G44.
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Post by Juha Tompuri » 16 May 2003, 22:21

Timo,

I agree that there were very few things at WWII that were perfect.
"Handbook on German Military Forces, United StatesWar Department Technical Manual 15th March 1945 tm-e 30-451" states following about Sturmgewehr:
"This gas-operated macine pistol is constructed almost entirely of metal stampings and can be stripped only to a limited degree. Although provision is made for both single-shot and automatic fire, bursts of more than five rounds are not recommended, and the pistol is best used as a single-shot weapon. This weapon has not proved very successful because it is impossible to repair in the field and because of its poor firing characteristics. The stampings forming the gas cylinder and body casings are made of thin material and are very easily damaged"

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Post by Rich Yankowski » 17 May 2003, 00:40

How about this beastly?
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Post by Mark V » 17 May 2003, 01:33

Caldric wrote:I would prefer the M1-Garand over the G44 anyway, the 44 looks weak and fragile. Can pry open doors with the M1. But I suppose this is just German weapons so I will say no more on that..
... and i would definately prefer MP44 over Garand - especially if i would saw two platoons of Ivans coming directly towards my foxhole.... :P

Anyway, if we are talking about best invidual firearm - i think Stg45 was developed far enough to claim the title.

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BTW Rich, Good one but way too expensive and hard to control in full-auto...

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Post by Madsen » 17 May 2003, 01:43

IMO there isn't any "best" weapon. you have to look at what it was made for. a MP40 isn't a sniperrifle but in close combat a K98 sniperrifle would be a poor thinhg to fight with.
Perhaps handgrenade :D light or darkness, no problem . right or lefthanded, still no problem cant see the enemy but hear him? no problem. but this is a weapon you cant use at long range. everything has it's limit.

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Post by Mark V » 17 May 2003, 01:46

Caldric wrote: The Kar 98 for instance did not come out of WWII.
Hmmm... Not sure what you mean.

But, if you are saying that kar98k was not produced for military use after WW2 - you are wrong. It was produced after WW2 (in Yugoslavia and for French in Germany) and is actually still produced today - in 2003 (same good old basic action for hunting rifles - using original Mauser machinery). And what other bolt-action rifles did come out of WW2 ?? - very few.

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 17 May 2003, 01:49

Mark V 8)

CONGRATULATIONS for your 1# 1000

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Post by Madsen » 17 May 2003, 01:51

I'm using Mauser for target shooting, and i can't destroy it. i change barrel but the rest is the same from when my grandfather use it.

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