Was the G43 ever manaufactured for the 7.92 Kurz cartridge?

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Was the G43 ever manaufactured for the 7.92 Kurz cartridge?

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Post by Stovepipe » 20 Oct 2016, 23:34

Hi all,
was the G43 ever made for the 7.92 Kurz cartridge, or is that a completely different weapon?

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Post by shamirnewell » 21 Oct 2016, 00:18

Stovepipe wrote:Hi all,
was the G43 ever made for the 7.92 Kurz cartridge, or is that a completely different weapon?
Different weapon gewehr 43 fired standard 7.92.

Sturmgewehr 43 44 and its predecessors and offshoots used the Kurz round.


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Post by Stovepipe » 21 Oct 2016, 14:00

I understand that but did they make any other rifle compatible with the Kurz rifle or was it only the StG44?

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Post by shamirnewell » 21 Oct 2016, 14:28

Stovepipe wrote:I understand that but did they make any other rifle compatible with the Kurz rifle or was it only the StG44?
The development cycle was:
Mkb 42h prototype trial weapon
MP 43
MP/STG 44
Gerat 06 prototype trial weapon
STG 45 never got off the ground
Volksturmgewehr

That is all that I am aware of.

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Post by Sarge » 06 Nov 2016, 10:44

There were K98k and G/K 43 rifles made in limited numbers chambered for the 7.9x33 rd. These were prototypes that as far as I know never got into production. I know they exist because: A. I have seen them in museums in Germany and B. I have handled both model rifles here in the US 40 yrs ago.
To me the idea of making the 98k in that caliber is ridiculous to the extreme, but --
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Post by sisuno » 27 Nov 2016, 19:12

The VG1-5 was made for the kurtz. A few prototypes of K43 was also made for the Kurtz

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Post by Stovepipe » 29 Nov 2016, 16:15

The reason I ask is that the G43 appears to have a very strong recoil. I have fired three variants of the Simonov SKS, which appears to me to be a perfect contemporary of the G43 yet fires the 7.62 x 39 M43 round, which suits it perfectly. Pleasant to fire so much that you could shoot it all day long.

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Post by Poot » 29 Nov 2016, 18:29

Stovepipe wrote:The reason I ask is that the G43 appears to have a very strong recoil. I have fired three variants of the Simonov SKS, which appears to me to be a perfect contemporary of the G43 yet fires the 7.62 x 39 M43 round, which suits it perfectly. Pleasant to fire so much that you could shoot it all day long.
In my opinion, the G-43 actually has mild felt recoil, especially for a rifle chambered for a full power cartridge. The SKS was not demonstrably a contemporary of the G-43, as there is still not any clear evidence that demonstrates that the former was used by a Byelorussian Front Army in 1945, as some have claimed. In all likelihood, it was not fielded by combat units until after the war had ended.

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Post by Stovepipe » 29 Nov 2016, 20:55

Sorry, i didn't mean in the contemporary in the sense of existing parallel to the G43. I meant that in the sense that it is so close in concept; wooden furniture, no vertical pistol grip, short overall length, modest ammunition capacity.

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Post by Poot » 30 Nov 2016, 03:18

Roger that.
As I'm sure you know, the G-43 was likely a response to encountering SVT-40s during Operation Barbarossa, and the ensuing failure of the G-41 to bridge the gap between reliable bolt action and reliable semi-auto. However, it was just another step along a road already travelled by the SVT-40 itself and the M1 Garand before both of them. Select fire, shorter overall length, and detachable magazines were great, but the use of an intermediate cartridge was really what started the next great step, IMO.

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Post by Stovepipe » 06 Dec 2016, 20:23

thanks.

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Post by Ronguild » 20 Dec 2016, 19:34

The answer is : YES !
See that picture taken in the WTS museum :
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Post by MGMike » 04 Mar 2017, 19:30

There was also one on display many years ago at the museum formerly at Aberdeen Proving Grounds, but it's probably in storage now.

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