Luger Pistole 08

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Luger Pistole 08

Post by scafftag » 29 Apr 2017 19:16

Has anyone got first-hand knowledge of this weapon? (Doing research for book)
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Re: Luger Pistole 08

Post by SVaaka » 02 May 2017 12:01

First of all - The real and correct name for this gun is Parabellum - Not Luger or something else - The name Luger was pronbably invented in USA. Gun is European and know round europe as Parabellum - Finnish army adopted it in 1923 and in Finnish army it was know as Pitooli m/23 Parabellum. The name Parabellum was also used by germans, dutch, swiss all nations that used the gun. Name comes from latin words ci vis pacem - parabellum - If you want peace prepare for war. No matter what people in USA and also this forum say - The is no such gun as Luger P-08 - it is Parabellum P-08.

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Re: Luger Pistole 08

Post by JTV » 03 May 2017 05:49

scafftag wrote:Has anyone got first-hand knowledge of this weapon? (Doing research for book)
I have some. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

SVaaka relax, there are rarely exact absolutes in these matters. Americans commonly call Parabellum pistol as Luger pistol after Georg Luger, nothing unusual or really incorrect in that. In addition pistol m/23 is actually 7.65-mm version with four inch barrel, hence close but not exactly identical to P-08, which was 9-mm and originally had 4.7-inch barrel. Also in this case the name Parabellum actually originates from "Parabellum" being used as P.O.-box name for DWM-factory, which was the German main manufacturer of Parabellum pistols until World War 1.

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Re: Luger Pistole 08

Post by TARTARIN » 16 Oct 2017 06:02

Hello,

What do you want to know about Parabellums automatic guns?

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Re: Luger Pistole 08

Post by daortiz » 20 Feb 2018 22:23

It was actually based off of the Borchardt action designed by Hugo Borchardt in the 1890s, SVaaka. When Georg Luger redesigned it, it was designated as the Borchardt-Luger action. Subsequently, it was just shortened to "Luger."

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Re: Luger Pistole 08

Post by CroGer » 04 May 2018 19:08

Many people assume that the Luger/P08 was replaced with the P38 because it was too expensive. That actually is not the case.

P08
Material: 6,1
Manhours: 13
Price: 32 RM

P38:
Material: 4,4
Manhours: 13
Price: 35 RM

Taken from the book "Sturmgewehr!" by Handrich.

The third Reich produced aproximately 929.500 P08's and 1.224.500 P38. Strangely, the P1 (basically a P38 with an alluminum frame) had a bad reputation among the german Bundeswehr-soldiers. Even though it had a good reputation internationally.
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Re: Luger Pistole 08

Post by mikel » 01 Sep 2018 05:04

Having owned many of both, I would prefer the P38 as a service weapon.
The double action feature is a fine aspect.
The P 38 has looser tolerances than the Luger, making it much more durable and useful in actual service.
It is much less complicated and easier to maintain than the Luger.
Accuracy is not effected by that and precision accuracy is not a huge issue with handguns.
I do prefer Lugers in terms of collectible.

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Re: Luger Pistole 08

Post by kfbr392 » 11 May 2023 20:39

CroGer wrote:
04 May 2018 19:08
Many people assume that the Luger/P08 was replaced with the P38 because it was too expensive. That actually is not the case.

P08
Material: 6,1
Manhours: 13
Price: 32 RM

P38:
Material: 4,4
Manhours: 13
Price: 35 RM

Taken from the book "Sturmgewehr!" by Handrich.
I love that book as much as you do.
But Mauser Oberndorf appeared to be able to produce and sell a P 38 for 31RM, presumably at the very end of the war.
source:
https://books.google.de/books/about/Gun ... edir_esc=y
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