DP28 machinegun with hopper magazine

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DP28 machinegun with hopper magazine

Post by koczownik » 15 Dec 2018 13:26

I thought I would share this article in case there was some interest in Russian experiments with machineguns (probably some people already read it): https://www.forgottenweapons.com/light- ... -fed-dp28/

I am not aware of any other nations, apart from Japan and Russia, experimenting with hopper magazines for machineguns during this period, but if someone knows another example it would be interesting to hear.

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Post by Hisname » 15 Dec 2018 13:59

Propaganda Russian weapons? Fine))
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Re: DP28 machinegun with hopper magazine

Post by koczownik » 15 Dec 2018 14:32

Nice photos, where did you take them?

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Re: DP28 machinegun with hopper magazine

Post by T. A. Gardner » 19 Dec 2018 19:17

This looks like the Russians copied the Type 11 6.5mm Japanese Nambu that uses the same idea. Or, did the Japanese copy the Russians?

The feed looks identical:

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I suspect the Russians copied it, then found it to be impractical and ditched it for the "record player" magazine.

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Re: DP28 machinegun with hopper magazine

Post by koczownik » 19 Dec 2018 20:21

T. A. Gardner wrote:
19 Dec 2018 19:17
This looks like the Russians copied the Type 11 6.5mm Japanese Nambu that uses the same idea. Or, did the Japanese copy the Russians?
If you read the article, you can see it says the Russians got the idea from Japanese Type 11.

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Re: DP28 machinegun with hopper magazine

Post by T. A. Gardner » 20 Dec 2018 06:13

koczownik wrote:
19 Dec 2018 20:21
T. A. Gardner wrote:
19 Dec 2018 19:17
This looks like the Russians copied the Type 11 6.5mm Japanese Nambu that uses the same idea. Or, did the Japanese copy the Russians?
If you read the article, you can see it says the Russians got the idea from Japanese Type 11.
Yes, I read the article afterwards. Obviously, the Russians figured out the shortcomings of such a system and dropped it after a brief experimentation with it.

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Re: DP28 machinegun with hopper magazine

Post by Hisname » 20 Dec 2018 13:03

Type 11 - 1922
DP - 1938
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Post by koczownik » 20 Dec 2018 14:24

^ Yes Hisname, that seems consistent with the info I have read. Can I ask what book that photo is from?

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Re: DP28 machinegun with hopper magazine

Post by Hisname » 20 Dec 2018 14:42

This is a directory of the collection of the Museum of St. Petersburg.
This book has been released in extremely small print runs for historians of military affairs and weapons.
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Here is the link, but I'm not sure that your pictures will be displayed.
https://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/18/148102.html

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Re: DP28 machinegun with hopper magazine

Post by koczownik » 20 Dec 2018 21:02

Thank you for posting that link, Hisname. That's a handy resource.

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Re: DP28 machinegun with hopper magazine

Post by Stiltzkin » 21 Dec 2018 07:11

This is a directory of the collection of the Museum of St. Petersburg.
This book has been released in extremely small print runs for historians of military affairs and weapons.
:o Many thanks, I was looking for such information, I wonder if Forgotten Weapons (aka Ian) knows about these. Do you perhaps have more technical data or anything regarding ballistics (laboratory, field conditions, I am also looking for shot groups, there is almost no information on this), specifically about SMGs (so far I used post war Czech and Chinese manuals)? I also know that the Soviets have experimented with their own GPMGs, are there any articles in English on this?

Also, I would argue that Japanese and Soviet machineguns were very inspired by Madsen designs and later learned from each other in the Russo-Japanese conflicts. The Russian Imperial Army was a known customer and interested in various developments.

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Re: DP28 machinegun with hopper magazine

Post by koczownik » 21 Dec 2018 10:56

Stiltzkin wrote:
21 Dec 2018 07:11
Also, I would argue that Japanese and Soviet machineguns were very inspired by Madsen designs and later learned from each other in the Russo-Japanese conflicts. The Russian Imperial Army was a known customer and interested in various developments.
I am not sure about Russian machineguns, but I know that Japan took inspirations from Hotchkiss designs, for example on Japanese Type 3 and Type 92 MGs.

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Re: DP28 machinegun with hopper magazine

Post by Stiltzkin » 21 Dec 2018 13:13

I am not sure about Russian machineguns, but I know that Japan took inspirations from Hotchkiss designs, for example on Japanese Type 3 and Type 92 MGs.
Yes, but those would be HMGs, heavies.

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Re: DP28 machinegun with hopper magazine

Post by koczownik » 21 Dec 2018 15:52

Stiltzkin wrote:
21 Dec 2018 13:13
Yes, but those would be HMGs, heavies.
Of course. You said "machineguns", so I didn't know you were excluding HMGs.

Regarding Japanese LMGs, Type 11 also took inspiration from Hotchkiss designs.

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