Mannlicher M95 - the numbers

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Mannlicher M95 - the numbers

Post by CroGer » 12 Jul 2019 23:12

Hello,

when you look up the Mannlicher M95 on the internet, you usually find the following production numbers: 2.5 - 3.5 million produced.
Unfortunately, I don't have any literature on this rifle. But I wonder where these numbers come from, because they must be very wrong.
The russian Wikipedia at least says 3.5 million until 1916.

Austria-Hungary sent 7.8 million soldiers in the field. In most sources, you'll find that AH had 3 million rifles when war broke out (for 3,35 million soldiers). The number of older Mannlichers was 1.295.000. Germany send 70.000 G88 as aid. Steyr also had 64.000 romanian M93 in stock and build further 11.000 in 8x50 from spare parts. 73.000 7x57 Mausers originally to be send to South America were also fielded. There also was a number of Mannlicher-Schönauer-rifles.
So you'll get 1.500.000 rifles other than Mannlicher M95 when "war were declared". So the number of 95's must have been around 1.5 million. Of these, probably 10% were carbines (as with all other pre-war models).
According to this source https://ww1.habsburger.net/de/medien/sc ... -1914-1918, AH could produce further 3.580.000 rifles during the war. At least 3.5 million must have been M95. Of these around 25% must have been carbines.
Which would put the number to 5 million until november 1918 (1.025.000 carbines).
Before the war the M95 has also been exported (85.000 to Bulgaria, several others to south american countries and China). After the war both Austria and Hungary also produced M95. In September 1939 the Wehrmacht had 268.648 M95. Hungary probably had a lot more until 1931.

So, I guess these numbers of 2.5 to 3.5 million are only the WWI-production, probably 3.5 million overall, 2.5 million by Steyr.
But overall, the real number should reach at least 5.6 million rifles (5,1 million 1895-1918, 500.000 in Austria and Hungary between 1920 and 1937) .

Does anybody have good literature about this rifle and can confirm this assumption? Can anybody correct or add some numbers?
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Re: Mannlicher M95 - the numbers

Post by Poot » 15 Jul 2019 05:12

CroGer,
What is the primary source for the Wehrmacht having 268,648 Model 95's in September 1939?

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Re: Mannlicher M95 - the numbers

Post by reedwh52 » 16 Jul 2019 20:34

CroGer:

The book "Mannlicher Military Rifles" by Paul S Scarlata states that the Austro-Hungarian military had 850,000 M95 rifles in August, 1914. TYhey also had 80,000 M90 carbines, 1.3 million other Mannlichers and 118,000 Werndls.(Page 34)

Poot: I too am interested in the source for the number of M95 variants in the Wehrmacht in September 1939. It actually seems to be low since the total is less than the numbers acquired from Austria

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Re: Mannlicher M95 - the numbers

Post by CroGer » 17 Jul 2019 02:56

Hello,

my source for the number of Mannlicher's in 1939 is the book "Sturmgewehr!" by H.D. Handrich. The number is part of the list of small arms in use by Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS in september 1939.
How many were acquired from Austria? Maybe the list does not include firearms that were stored, or maybe the rest was sold or traded.
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Re: Mannlicher M95 - the numbers

Post by Poot » 17 Jul 2019 06:55

Thank you, CroGer.
I'm actually surprised there were that many available by that point. The majority of rifles, carbines and stutzens (and their 8X56R cartridges) had been sold to Bulgaria after the Anschluss. Some M.95 variants remained in Austria, but not very many.

Other M.95s would be captured by Germany in Poland, Greece and Yugoslavia, but these would have still been chambered in 8X52R.
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