Thompson drum magazines in combat?

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Thompson drum magazines in combat?

Post by narikis » 07 Nov 2020 21:52

I have seen occasional photos of American and British soldiers in training/maneuvers using both M1928 and M1928A1 with a 50 round drum.

Were these ever actually used in combat during WW2, not just by the USA/Britain but by anyone? If so, how were the drum magazines usually carried, and how many would be carried by a single gunner? Also, given the size of these drums (compared to stick magazines) would a gunner have anyone to carry extra ammo for him, or was it just down to him alone to carry as many drums as he could?

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Re: Thompson drum magazines in combat?

Post by FiveStars » 08 Nov 2020 11:51

I can't answer you fully, BUT yes, Thompsons with the drum were used in combat by the allies, although it is true that as the war progressed, the drum was superseded by the stick magazine. As for other users, I know that the Soviets received Thompsons as part of the lend lease program (they were included as part of tank equipment) and issued them to their marines. From the few photographs of Thompsons I have seen in Soviet service, almost all of them have the drum magazine.

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Re: Thompson drum magazines in combat?

Post by veeteetee » 09 Nov 2020 13:30

As can be seen in SA-kuva.fi #115501-115502 the Russians did lose at least one Thompson to the Finns, complete with drum magazine:
https://i.postimg.cc/fWXyz2ZL/SA-115502.jpg

See also #113059.

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Re: Thompson drum magazines in combat?

Post by Hans1906 » 09 Nov 2020 17:45

Was it possible to use a 50 rounds drum-magazine on the standard WW II "M1A1", this is new to me..?

My former deactivated "Tommy Gun" was build for 20, or 30 rounds standard magazines, am I wrong? :?

Thompson (Maschinenpistole) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thompson_ ... enpistole)


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P.S. Talking about the so called "Tommy-Gun", the famous scene from the excellent gangster movie "Miller's Crossing" is right on the spot:

The movie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%27s_Crossing


The scene / Albert Finney / "Leo" at his best..! :lol: 8-)
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Re: Thompson drum magazines in combat?

Post by narikis » 09 Nov 2020 18:45

Hans1906 wrote:
09 Nov 2020 17:45
Was it possible to use a 50 rounds drum-magazine on the standard WW II "M1A1", this is new to me..?
No, M1A1 could only accept stick magazines. However, M1928 and M1928A1 could accept drum magazines, and those were issued in WW2 as well as the M1A1.

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Re: Thompson drum magazines in combat?

Post by chitoryu12 » 09 Nov 2020 18:54

It's not possible to mount a drum on an M1 or M1A1. The drum relies on the unique magazine well design of the M1921 and M1928: it slides in from the left and is then pushed up to lock (stick magazines just push up, using a sort of guide rail on the back of the magazine). The M1 was purposefully designed not to be able to accept drums, as their weight and poor reliability made them unpopular and they were more expensive to produce and more time-consuming to load.

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Re: Thompson drum magazines in combat?

Post by Hans1906 » 09 Nov 2020 19:08

Thanks to both of you, question solved! (Enjoy the video...) 8O

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Re: Thompson drum magazines in combat?

Post by veeteetee » 08 Dec 2020 15:05

For Russian Thompsons -complete with drum magazine - lost in combat against Finland see sa-kuva.fi numbers 113059 and 115502,

However, you have to use the Finnish version of the net pages and you have to tag "+päivättömät" in the upper right corner and only then you can type the number in the search field and also get something.

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Re: Thompson drum magazines in combat?

Post by LineDoggie » 08 Dec 2020 23:48

narikis wrote:
07 Nov 2020 21:52
I have seen occasional photos of American and British soldiers in training/maneuvers using both M1928 and M1928A1 with a 50 round drum.

Were these ever actually used in combat during WW2, not just by the USA/Britain but by anyone? If so, how were the drum magazines usually carried, and how many would be carried by a single gunner? Also, given the size of these drums (compared to stick magazines) would a gunner have anyone to carry extra ammo for him, or was it just down to him alone to carry as many drums as he could?
Yes 50 rd drums were used by the US forces in combat during WW2

Every M3 Lee Tank in North Africa came standard with 2x M1928A1 Thompsons and fittings for 24x50 rd drum magazines for dismounted use
Marines and Army at Guadalcanal and the Solomons

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Re: Thompson drum magazines in combat?

Post by Hans1906 » 09 Dec 2020 23:13

LineDoggie,

are you able, to name the original source of the above photos..?

Thank you! :wink:


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Re: Thompson drum magazines in combat?

Post by kerryboo » 17 Jun 2021 10:17

Sorry to open up an old thread, but I thought this might be of interest. German forces also made use of the drum magazine on captured Thompsons.
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