Japanese Sword Scabbard?

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Japanese Sword Scabbard?

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Post by Porcelain44 » 15 Jun 2021, 05:30

Can anyone enlighten me on this sword scabbard? I think it may be copper? Is that a mum on it? Could it be for a WW2 ceremonial sword of some description? Thanks
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Re: Japanese Sword Scabbard?

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Post by von thoma » 15 Jun 2021, 08:07

IMHO
Oriental but not Japanese, perhaps China
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Re: Japanese Sword Scabbard?

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Post by Porcelain44 » 15 Jun 2021, 15:36

von thoma wrote:
15 Jun 2021, 08:07
IMHO
Oriental but not Japanese, perhaps China
Thanks. Any idea of the era? 19th century, perhaps?

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Post by Hans1906 » 16 Jun 2021, 12:27

The "Chrysanthemum" symbol, which is to see on the saber scabbard is of typical japanese origin.
To difficult to fake/reproduce nowadays...

This much I recognize, for example, there are many Japanese sabers of the former Japanese police of the time online, with comparable saber scabbards, but unfortunately not in this particular form.

This is a question for the experts on Japanese blank weapons, a better answer will be found here in the thread at a later date very surely....

P.S. The difference between an Epee (G: "Degen"), and a Saber / Sabre (G: "Säbel") should of course be known... :roll:
If not, open the "Big Book"... :wink:

Btw, "China" is complete nonsense! :?


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Post by Hans1906 » 18 Jun 2021, 07:31

Have to correct, sorry: Japanese police blank weapons were decorated trad, with a cherry blossom (Kirschblüte) symbol.

Also please look at attached photo (file size compressed)
The scabbard with two rings has a comparable form to the scabbard in the above uploaded photos.


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Post by von thoma » 19 Jun 2021, 00:36

Btw, "China" is complete nonsense! :?
Not quite Hans1906

I discarded Japan for thinking that this flower, it wasn't exactly ' the Japanese cherry blossom '
present in some Japanese daggers, sabers, swords, because that flower is always represented with 5 petals without ray ring.
The shown flower has exactly 6 petals wrapped in a radiant ring.
The carving work on the sword scabbard seems excessive to me for a Japanese sword /saber,
and also the low position of the suspension rings.

I reiterate the idea that it is of oriental origin, but not Japanese ( China, Philippines, Malaysia, Thailand, India )
Any idea of the era? 19th century, perhaps?
Yes, I also think of the XIX century.
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Post by Hans1906 » 19 Jun 2021, 10:53

Sorry to Herr von thoma for my term "nonsense", I was wrong using this term, sorry. :oops:

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Post by Dwight Pruitt » 23 Jun 2021, 04:20

I believe it is Chinese as well- the flower is very similar to that found on WWII-era tortoise shell Chinese Army daggers.

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Post by Hans1906 » 24 Jun 2021, 11:17

Dwight, thanks for your reply, always very interesting to hear the opinion of other readers... :milwink:

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Re: Japanese Sword Scabbard?

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Post by Porcelain44 » 07 Jul 2021, 15:39

Thanks for the information gentlemen

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