I never got the chance to fire one, but I would certainly expect so. Incidentally, I found the M14 quite comfortable to shoot (semi-auto only!).ThatZenoGuy wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 12:48Ouch! So there might be some merit to the claim huh? Granted I'm guessing the longer barreled (and thus heavier) gun with a chunkier buttstock, and some thicker military fatigues might lessen the damage?Tony Williams wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 12:22I have fired the lighter carbine version of the G3, with a short barrel and a folding stock. The butt was small steel pad, and the recoil was painful; It was apparently known as the "meat tenderiser" to the German troops. I was only wearing a thin summer shirt and the shoulder bruise was large, colourful and took some time to fade...ThatZenoGuy wrote: ↑02 Sep 2021, 17:04
I have heard the G3 in particular had quite the kick to it, is this true?
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Any military weapons you would consider to be the most comfortable/least comfortable?Tony Williams wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 13:39I never got the chance to fire one, but I would certainly expect so. Incidentally, I found the M14 quite comfortable to shoot (semi-auto only!).
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The most comfortable 5.56mm assault rifle I have fired is certainly the FN F2000 - that great fat buttstock spreads the recoil kick over a wide area of the shoulder and provides a great check weld.ThatZenoGuy wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 14:15
Any military weapons you would consider to be the most comfortable/least comfortable?
My least favourite 5.56mm service weapon is the skinny little M4 - I once fired an M4 against "falling man" targets in comparison with the FN SCAR L (which is almost as good to shoot as the F2000); I hit almost every time with the FN, missed almost every time with the M4. Least favourite of all the 5.56mms was a minimalist US civilian AR-15 based carbine with a very short barrel and a skeleton stock with a tiny, hard pad for a butt. It was so uncomfortable to shoot that I was relieved to finish - a horrible, horrible device!
In 7.62mm assault rifles, the FN SCAR H is one of my least favourite; its too light for the power of the ammo and jumps around all over the place. Offhand, I can't think of a gun which would beat the M14 for comfort - that traditional wooden stock suits me very well. However, I was surprised by the Colt CM901 I got to try (that's the one designed to be convertible between 5.56mm and 7.62mm); despite having a short barrel and looking like other members of the AR-10/15 family, I actually enjoyed shooting it.
Turning to WW2 bolt-action weapons, I found it interesting to fire a 7.92mm Mauser 98 immediately after a .303 Lee Enfield No. 4. The Mauser kicked hard (not helped by a steel buttplate) while the Enfield had much softer recoil (the .303 round is quite a lot less powerful than the 7.92mm). The Enfield also had better (aperture) sights, which I found much clearer and easier to pick up the target than the Mauser's leaf sights. And of course the Enfield had double the magazine capacity and a shorter, faster bolt action. All in all, the handy Enfield was much superior as a battle rifle (although the Mauser would probably be better for a sniper).
I have fired an FG 42 (semi-auto only) - I recall being too concerned with observing the recoil and spectacular muzzle flash to notice anything else! Also a MKb42(W), semi-auto again and very comfortable to shoot with a smooth action. As was the British post-WW2 EM-2 bullpup in .280/30 calibre.
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Awesome experiences! Thank you a lot Tony!Tony Williams wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 15:38
The most comfortable 5.56mm assault rifle I have fired is certainly the FN F2000 - that great fat buttstock spreads the recoil kick over a wide area of the shoulder and provides a great check weld.
My least favourite 5.56mm service weapon is the skinny little M4 - I once fired an M4 against "falling man" targets in comparison with the FN SCAR L (which is almost as good to shoot as the F2000); I hit almost every time with the FN, missed almost every time with the M4. Least favourite of all the 5.56mms was a minimalist US civilian AR-15 based carbine with a very short barrel and a skeleton stock with a tiny, hard pad for a butt. It was so uncomfortable to shoot that I was relieved to finish - a horrible, horrible device!
In 7.62mm assault rifles, the FN SCAR H is one of my least favourite; its too light for the power of the ammo and jumps around all over the place. Offhand, I can't think of a gun which would beat the M14 for comfort - that traditional wooden stock suits me very well. However, I was surprised by the Colt CM901 I got to try (that's the one designed to be convertible between 5.56mm and 7.62mm); despite having a short barrel and looking like other members of the AR-10/15 family, I actually enjoyed shooting it.
Turning to WW2 bolt-action weapons, I found it interesting to fire a 7.92mm Mauser 98 immediately after a .303 Lee Enfield No. 4. The Mauser kicked hard (not helped by a steel buttplate) while the Enfield had much softer recoil (the .303 round is quite a lot less powerful than the 7.92mm). The Enfield also had better (aperture) sights, which I found much clearer and easier to pick up the target than the Mauser's leaf sights. And of course the Enfield had double the magazine capacity and a shorter, faster bolt action. All in all, the handy Enfield was much superior as a battle rifle (although the Mauser would probably be better for a sniper).
I have fired an FG 42 (semi-auto only) - I recall being too concerned with observing the recoil and spectacular muzzle flash to notice anything else! Also a MKb42(W), semi-auto again and very comfortable to shoot with a smooth action. As was the British post-WW2 EM-2 bullpup in .280/30 calibre.