Stg 44 Night Vision equiped!

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Stg 44 Night Vision equiped!

Post by oscar » 09 Aug 2002 14:15

Has anyone more info about a device called "Vampire" or something like that.
It was a nightvison device for to put on your stg 44!! 8O
(Never used in combat as far as I know though).

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Post by Romulus » 09 Aug 2002 14:20

From what i've read and heard it was used in limited numbers, about only 300 were built in total and issued to stg 44 only squads.
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Post by Ovidius » 09 Aug 2002 16:50

The ZG 1229 "Vampir Nachtjaeger" was more or less a small-scale version of the devices used by the "Night Panther" tank and the "Uhu"("Owl") observation vehicle. Reportedly the few pieces made armed the crews of IR-equipped vehicles.

FYI the research over the IR-devices had started in Germany about 1936, while the first practically-useable prototypes were built in 1939.

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Post by Erik E » 09 Aug 2002 18:57

Looks very familiar.......
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Post by b_c_ries » 11 Aug 2002 04:09

I'm not certain but I've been told that they were used in the battle for Berlin.
If 70 grains of IMR 4064 in a 7.92x57 case behind a 197 gr. fmj is too much then 85 grains should be just right.

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Post by Dr. Tempura » 11 Aug 2002 09:54

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Post by Oberst Mihael » 12 Aug 2002 23:04

8O 8O Guess what the Russians who could barely put food on their table would have to say about this!

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Night vision

Post by Zygmunt » 13 Aug 2002 10:29

I guess it's relevant to throw in that this is a very different system from the types of nightvision equipment most armies are using today, and the 'starlight scopes' which first started getting used in Vietnam. Modern nightvision relies on collecting all the available light, and amplifying it to a level that the naked eye can detect. They are passive, just collecting what light is already out there. This Vampire, from the look of things, used an infra-red searchlight to illuminate targets (though in a way which only those with an infra-red vision device could detect). Hence it was an active system, and any enemy with their own IR devices could easily spot the searchlights, and pick off the men behind them. Admittedly, in WWII, that wasn't going to be a problem. But in the fifties this kind of system was experimented with for tanks by (at least) the British and US armies, and ultimately rejected because any enemy tank could wait, passively, and then pick off the searchlight-using tanks too easily.

Modern nightvision has seen a return to infra-red, but in a passive role (detecting the heat of engines, personnel, etc,) but with more sensitive cameras, which don't need the tell-tale searchlight to detect targets.

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Post by oscar » 13 Aug 2002 11:30

What is it for a kind of weapon the guy to the left is holding, some kind of
multirocketluncher???

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Post by AirborneAllTheWay » 13 Aug 2002 12:28

The weapon is I believe...

The Luftfaust ("air fist") was an anti-aircraft, recoilless shoulder-fired weapon not really related to the Panzerfaust. There were two versions: the original Luftfaust-A featured four barrels of 2cm-caliber, firing 2cm-projectiles that weighed 90g and contained 19g of explosive, the projectiles were fitted to a little rocket stage. When fired in a salvo, the projectiles reached a velocity of 380 m/s.
The Luftfaust-B addressed the problem of the inaccurate and unsatisfactory hit groups achieved by the Luftfaust-A by kengthening the barrels and increasing the number of barrels to nine. The weapon now had a length of 150cm and weighed 6.5 kg. The nine projectiles were shot in one salvo with 0.2 sec. between the individual barrels. Although large orders for the weapon were placed in 1945, actually only 80 of these weapons were used in combat trials.

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Vampir

Post by shaolin_shamo » 19 Aug 2002 20:15

Here's my fantasy rendition of an IR equipped FJ circa 1946
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Post by Dan W. » 20 Aug 2002 04:42

The night vision scope was almost identical to the M3 night vision sniperscope pictured here at top.
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Post by bennie71 » 20 Aug 2002 07:51

Has anyone here heard of a "rottkapchen?" All I know is that nearly 2000 were made and sent to the Russian front. If this is actually true does anyone have a picture?

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Maybe this

Post by TonyG » 20 Aug 2002 09:47

Don't know if this is what you are looking for....

http://www.german-militaria.co.uk/lufteagle181.htm

http://library.thinkquest.org/C006001/rockets/x7.html

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Kramer X-7 Rotkäppchen
This was a wire-guided anti-tank missile. The X-7 had a short, fat body, large twin fins, and a trailing arm carrying the guidance wire spool. It had a 2.5kg shaped-charge warhead. Small numbers of pre-production missiles were used in combat. There was also a Steinbock version with IR homing guidance.


http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/gustin_military/gweapons.html

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