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Post by varjag » 01 Oct 2007 12:22

With such a heavy barrel-shroud - is it an airgun of some kind?, Varjag

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Post by peeved » 01 Oct 2007 12:40

Not really, no,
An experimental Volkssturmgewehr manual repeater in AFAIK 7,92 x 57 mm. The barrel shroud is probably directly related to the unusual loading cycle.
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Post by peeved » 02 Oct 2007 04:33

Hint.
The loading cycle starts like this.
You lift the operating handle rotating the barrel 90 degrees and unlocking the breech mechanism...
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Post by varjag » 02 Oct 2007 11:41

peeved wrote:Hint.
The loading cycle starts like this.
You lift the operating handle rotating the barrel 90 degrees and unlocking the breech mechanism...
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Now - you have my full attention! :) , Varjag

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Post by The Edge » 02 Oct 2007 15:00

( :? Guessing-game again...)

:roll: Hmm... Rheinmetall VG3 ?

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Post by peeved » 02 Oct 2007 15:17

My source didn´t name the manufacturer. However the current question is
peeved wrote:Next, describe the loading cycle of this experimental Axis weapon.

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Post by varjag » 03 Oct 2007 13:09

A wild guess...the bolt is enclosed in the barrel extension....entire barrel with bolt is retracted to eject empty case - repeat forward, lock the bolt & barrel to 'battery' and fire...seems a most peculiar arrangement. But why otherwise the heavy barrel-shroud????? :roll: , Varjag

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Post by peeved » 03 Oct 2007 14:36

There is no reciprocating bolt as such, this is a standing breech small arm. The main moving part performing the loading cycle is the barrel which moves quite differently from what you envision. The barrel shroud has a distinct purpose. In this repeating rifle the shroud cylinder guides the moving barrel like in a few rare automatic pistols by e.g. Ritter von Mannlicher and Lieutenant Hino and an esoteric SIG assault rifle prototype. In the latter the shroud also housed recoil spring not needed in the quiz gun.
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Post by peeved » 04 Oct 2007 15:11

Hint.
The first two stages of the loading cycle:
1. You lift the operating handle rotating the barrel 90 degrees and unlocking it from the standing breech.
2. You push the operating handle (and the attached barrel) smartly forward ejecting the spent cartridge case, if any.

Just two stages left.
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Post by Rikard Hufschmied » 09 Oct 2007 18:48

Seems like the quiz has fallen asleep ...

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Post by peeved » 09 Oct 2007 20:08

First the answer.
The loading cycle:
1. You lift the operating handle rotating the barrel 90 degrees and unlocking it from the standing breech.
2. You push the operating handle (and the attached barrel) smartly forward ejecting the spent cartridge case, if any.
3. You pull the operating handle back chambering a new round.
4. You lower the operating handle rotating the barrel 90 degrees and locking it to the standing breech.
Photo of the unnamed Volksgewehr was from Visier No. 08/2002.

New subject, another VG...this one a self-loader.
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Post by peeved » 10 Oct 2007 20:20

Hint:
A straightforward blow-forward design with a DAO trigger.
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Post by peeved » 12 Oct 2007 19:15

Hint:
The manufacturer´s name has connotations of burlap cloth industry and German mercenaries in the American War of Independence.
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Post by varjag » 13 Oct 2007 00:25

peeved wrote:Hint:
The manufacturer´s name has connotations of burlap cloth industry and German mercenaries in the American War of Independence.
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:lol: ...Hessische Industrie-Werke (HIW VSK). And 'blow-forward' action - Christ they must have been scratching for 'new ideas', Varjag

http://www.bratishka.ru/archiv/2006/11/2006_11_16.php

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Post by peeved » 13 Oct 2007 07:51

A calibre 7,92x33 mm Hessische Industriewerke VSK (Volkssturm-Selbstladekarabiner) it is. The drawing was from "The German Assault Rifle 1935 - 1945" By Peter R. Senich.
You have also found the maker of the preceding quiz gun: Your link lists HIW as the manufacturer of the 7,92x57 mm Volkssturm-Mehrladegewehr HIW and has a photo of one (complete with trigger unit, possibly DAO again) quite similar to the dark photo from "Visier". That one not a blow-forward being a manual repeater...throw-forward mayhaps?
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