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#1606

Post by varjag » 01 Oct 2007, 13:22

With such a heavy barrel-shroud - is it an airgun of some kind?, Varjag

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#1607

Post by peeved » 01 Oct 2007, 13:40

Not really, no,
An experimental Volkssturmgewehr manual repeater in AFAIK 7,92 x 57 mm. The barrel shroud is probably directly related to the unusual loading cycle.
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#1608

Post by peeved » 02 Oct 2007, 05:33

Hint.
The loading cycle starts like this.
You lift the operating handle rotating the barrel 90 degrees and unlocking the breech mechanism...
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#1609

Post by varjag » 02 Oct 2007, 12:41

peeved wrote:Hint.
The loading cycle starts like this.
You lift the operating handle rotating the barrel 90 degrees and unlocking the breech mechanism...
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Now - you have my full attention! :) , Varjag

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#1610

Post by The Edge » 02 Oct 2007, 16:00

( :? Guessing-game again...)

:roll: Hmm... Rheinmetall VG3 ?

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#1611

Post by peeved » 02 Oct 2007, 16:17

My source didn´t name the manufacturer. However the current question is
peeved wrote:Next, describe the loading cycle of this experimental Axis weapon.
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#1612

Post by varjag » 03 Oct 2007, 14:09

A wild guess...the bolt is enclosed in the barrel extension....entire barrel with bolt is retracted to eject empty case - repeat forward, lock the bolt & barrel to 'battery' and fire...seems a most peculiar arrangement. But why otherwise the heavy barrel-shroud????? :roll: , Varjag

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#1613

Post by peeved » 03 Oct 2007, 15:36

There is no reciprocating bolt as such, this is a standing breech small arm. The main moving part performing the loading cycle is the barrel which moves quite differently from what you envision. The barrel shroud has a distinct purpose. In this repeating rifle the shroud cylinder guides the moving barrel like in a few rare automatic pistols by e.g. Ritter von Mannlicher and Lieutenant Hino and an esoteric SIG assault rifle prototype. In the latter the shroud also housed recoil spring not needed in the quiz gun.
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#1614

Post by peeved » 04 Oct 2007, 16:11

Hint.
The first two stages of the loading cycle:
1. You lift the operating handle rotating the barrel 90 degrees and unlocking it from the standing breech.
2. You push the operating handle (and the attached barrel) smartly forward ejecting the spent cartridge case, if any.

Just two stages left.
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#1615

Post by Rikard Hufschmied » 09 Oct 2007, 19:48

Seems like the quiz has fallen asleep ...

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#1616

Post by peeved » 09 Oct 2007, 21:08

First the answer.
The loading cycle:
1. You lift the operating handle rotating the barrel 90 degrees and unlocking it from the standing breech.
2. You push the operating handle (and the attached barrel) smartly forward ejecting the spent cartridge case, if any.
3. You pull the operating handle back chambering a new round.
4. You lower the operating handle rotating the barrel 90 degrees and locking it to the standing breech.
Photo of the unnamed Volksgewehr was from Visier No. 08/2002.

New subject, another VG...this one a self-loader.
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#1617

Post by peeved » 10 Oct 2007, 21:20

Hint:
A straightforward blow-forward design with a DAO trigger.
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#1618

Post by peeved » 12 Oct 2007, 20:15

Hint:
The manufacturer´s name has connotations of burlap cloth industry and German mercenaries in the American War of Independence.
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#1619

Post by varjag » 13 Oct 2007, 01:25

peeved wrote:Hint:
The manufacturer´s name has connotations of burlap cloth industry and German mercenaries in the American War of Independence.
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:lol: ...Hessische Industrie-Werke (HIW VSK). And 'blow-forward' action - Christ they must have been scratching for 'new ideas', Varjag

http://www.bratishka.ru/archiv/2006/11/2006_11_16.php

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#1620

Post by peeved » 13 Oct 2007, 08:51

A calibre 7,92x33 mm Hessische Industriewerke VSK (Volkssturm-Selbstladekarabiner) it is. The drawing was from "The German Assault Rifle 1935 - 1945" By Peter R. Senich.
You have also found the maker of the preceding quiz gun: Your link lists HIW as the manufacturer of the 7,92x57 mm Volkssturm-Mehrladegewehr HIW and has a photo of one (complete with trigger unit, possibly DAO again) quite similar to the dark photo from "Visier". That one not a blow-forward being a manual repeater...throw-forward mayhaps?
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