The official AHF small arms quiz thread

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Re: The official AHF small arms quiz thread

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Post by peeved » 21 Aug 2011, 08:52

Hint: The country in question is hardly the one that first springs to mind when encountering sheet metal and wire spring wonders like this 1933 rifle. This SLR was the first firearm using major stamped sheet metal assemblies in the country.

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Post by peeved » 21 Aug 2011, 14:23

Hint: Much very early work on self-loading rifles was done in this country; AFAIK a private person built a blowback SLR there in 1889.

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Post by peeved » 23 Aug 2011, 10:02

Hint: A firm (not the one that built the quiztion gun) in this country was also a pioneer in the field of military self-loading rifles. building different models from 1900 to 1946. That firm also built one of the two SLR types adopted by the country's armed forces: 40 rifles to the Air Corps; The second one was an US 12,7 mm spotting rifle adopted in the 50's. Even the first one had a transatlantic connection.

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Post by The Edge » 23 Aug 2011, 11:18

It's obvious you're talking about Switzerland and SIG company (their pioneer SLR was Mondragon Rifle, and the 1940s model was Sk-46). Quiz rifle reminded me about another post-WWII model, SIG AK-53, but in past days I failed to find the connection :( (Try to google with SIG SK-33! :x )

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Post by peeved » 23 Aug 2011, 11:35

Hi Edge,

You nailed the country and are closing on the right firm but SIG it wasn't. Remember
A firm (not the one that built the quiztion gun) in this country was also a pioneer in the field of military self-loading rifles. building different models from 1900 to 1946.
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Post by The Edge » 23 Aug 2011, 12:15

I know - spent last hour googling with Waffenfabrik Bern, Selbstladekarabiner Modell 33, W+F Sk-33, etc - with no results. :(

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Post by peeved » 23 Aug 2011, 12:25

Waffenfabrik Bern is correct,

Even my source Bewaffnung und Ausrüstung der Schweizer Armee seit 1817, Band 13, Automatwaffen: Maschinenpistolen, Selbstladegewehre by Reinhart and Rhyn doesn't have a better name for it than Selbstladegewehr System Dätwyler.

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Post by The Edge » 23 Aug 2011, 13:27

Well, knowing that the photo hasn't existed on the Net before, I felt sligtly more comfortable. 8-)

This one exists and some folks in Switzerland probaly would adore it: :wink:
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Post by The Edge » 24 Aug 2011, 12:16

Hints:

Toggle-lock action

9mm Para caliber

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Post by The Edge » 24 Aug 2011, 22:49

A visual hint:
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Post by peeved » 25 Aug 2011, 10:02

Trying to lure Bill Murray into the melee? Maybe next a photo of a Douglas A-4 Skyhawk to draw the aircraft crowd in.

Is this thing similar to Dätwyler in not having an official designation? I've tried googling maschinenpistole, pistolet mitrailleur and submachine gun in conjunction with both the designer and manufacturer names and hit butkus.

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Post by The Edge » 25 Aug 2011, 10:26

peeved wrote:Is this thing similar to Dätwyler in not having an official designation?
It's some oddball for sure - this design simply don't fit into the company "mainstream", really not needed (other model was already in production) and I found only one photo source (some Russian arms magazine in .pdf format) :roll:

If this thing actually was a serious effort - here is a person to blame:
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Post by peeved » 25 Aug 2011, 10:37

Why blame Mr. Saive when that FN submachine gun from ca. 1935 was a licence-produced version of the German Heinemann Mod. 1932 and Rheinmetall applied for patent on Heinemann's toggle lock invention? In fact IIRC Nelson & Musgrave call the FN version Heinemann submachine gun.

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Post by The Edge » 25 Aug 2011, 10:49

peeved wrote:Why blame Mr. Saive when that FN submachine gun from ca. 1935 ?
He should made something better. :wink:

In any case, thanks for additional info - next question from Finland! :)

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Post by peeved » 25 Aug 2011, 11:06

Thanks Edge,

If someone else is actually watching this thread my Skyhawk remark was a reference to "Heinemann's Hot Rod".

Maybe this exp. eBay.de photo can reel more people into this quiz since the subject gun is Axis, from WW II era and even saw some action.

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