The official AHF small arms quiz thread

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Re: The official AHF small arms quiz thread

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Post by Trackhead M2 » 16 Aug 2012, 16:56

peeved wrote:Austria-Hungary indeed is the correct answer. This weapon, the invention of a Standschütze Hellriegel, was called a machine gun in 1915 although it appears to have chambered a pistol cartridge. Here are the whole 1st and 2nd picture plus a 3rd one featuring a mag bearer.

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Okay, what WW I US Machine Gun then called a Marlin was used during the Siege of the Legations during the Boxer Rebellion?
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Re: The official AHF small arms quiz thread

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Post by The Edge » 17 Aug 2012, 00:38

Machine gun used by US Marines during the Siege of the Legations during the Boxer Rebellion was:
COLT-BROWNING MACHINE GUN MODEL 1895 (in 6x60mm Lee Navy caliber) 8-)

From Springfield Armory National Historic Site:

On June 14, 1895, John Moses Browning came to the Springfield Armory to demonstrate his machine gun. The board who examined the gun wrote the following: "The mechanical (Gatling) machine is preferred over the automatic (Browning) machine gun....The Browning machine gun is not suitable for ordinary service and has no place in land armament." Browning, like some many others before him, took his ideas to Europe.

Not surprisingly, and not for the first time, the U.S. Navy disagreed with the Ordnance Department. They ordered fifty Colt machine guns in 6mm in 1896. Two years later the Marines acquired 150 more Brownings.

The Colt Model 1895 was originally produced in 6mm (0.236-inch) calibre, for the US Navy, and first saw action with the US Marines during the landings at Guantanamo Bay, in Cuba, in 1898. It was subsequently sold to the US Army and to a number of overseas customers in a variety of calibres....

In 1899, the "Army and Navy Journal" reported that 500 Colt machine guns in service in the Navy, but a report from Samoa indicated that the Colts were largely worthless. A later article stated that the guns jammed due to difficulties with the 6mm cartridge.


How this gun became a “Marlin Machine gun Model 1917" (in .30-06 caliber) is another story… ;)
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Re: The official AHF small arms quiz thread

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Post by Trackhead M2 » 17 Aug 2012, 14:43

The Edge wrote:Machine gun used by US Marines during the Siege of the Legations during the Boxer Rebellion was:
COLT-BROWNING MACHINE GUN MODEL 1895 (in 6x60mm Lee Navy caliber) 8-)

From Springfield Armory National Historic Site:

On June 14, 1895, John Moses Browning came to the Springfield Armory to demonstrate his machine gun. The board who examined the gun wrote the following: "The mechanical (Gatling) machine is preferred over the automatic (Browning) machine gun....The Browning machine gun is not suitable for ordinary service and has no place in land armament." Browning, like some many others before him, took his ideas to Europe.

Not surprisingly, and not for the first time, the U.S. Navy disagreed with the Ordnance Department. They ordered fifty Colt machine guns in 6mm in 1896. Two years later the Marines acquired 150 more Brownings.

The Colt Model 1895 was originally produced in 6mm (0.236-inch) calibre, for the US Navy, and first saw action with the US Marines during the landings at Guantanamo Bay, in Cuba, in 1898. It was subsequently sold to the US Army and to a number of overseas customers in a variety of calibres....

In 1899, the "Army and Navy Journal" reported that 500 Colt machine guns in service in the Navy, but a report from Samoa indicated that the Colts were largely worthless. A later article stated that the guns jammed due to difficulties with the 6mm cartridge.


How this gun became a “Marlin Machine gun Model 1917" (in .30-06 caliber) is another story… ;)
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Re: The official AHF small arms quiz thread

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Post by The Edge » 17 Aug 2012, 21:48

Trackhead M2 wrote: You win the chocolate nut roll
At this moment, I'm trying to limit my chocolate input... :(

Next question - name this:
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Re: The official AHF small arms quiz thread

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Post by Trackhead M2 » 18 Aug 2012, 16:04

The Edge wrote:
Trackhead M2 wrote: You win the chocolate nut roll
At this moment, I'm trying to limit my chocolate input... :(

Next question - name this:
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Is it an actual weapon or a mounting for one?
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Re: The official AHF small arms quiz thread

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Post by peeved » 18 Aug 2012, 20:43

Guess you could call it a mounting; It's conceptual ancestors could be found in the trenches of WWI in the form of various periscope rifle adapters.

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Post by The Edge » 18 Aug 2012, 23:00

It is a detachable weapon accessory - it had both aiming (periscope style - two mirrors) and firing role (trigger, grip, shoulder rest). 8-) It is most useful in some "trench-fighting" scenario. :idea:

Need more? :wink: It's quite a dessert for weapon! :D

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Re: The official AHF small arms quiz thread

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Post by The Edge » 20 Aug 2012, 00:23

OK, this is how it looks attached: :?
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Re: The official AHF small arms quiz thread

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Post by SVaaka » 20 Aug 2012, 14:53

And one is supposed to hit something with that one and MG42 - I your dreams.

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Re: The official AHF small arms quiz thread

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Post by The Edge » 20 Aug 2012, 21:21

SVaaka wrote:And one is supposed to hit something with that one and MG42 - in your dreams...
Valid point - actually seeing something could be a problem on a rainy day or misty morning... :wink:

My photo/info source doesn't deal with the accuracy of the aimed fire with this device, so... :(

Btw, I found another similar device (for G43) :D
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Re: The official AHF small arms quiz thread

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Post by silviu-angel » 05 Oct 2012, 10:54

Name of device is deckungszielgerat

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Post by Petrus » 26 Oct 2012, 10:35

What do you think it is? The only hint is that this is Spanish.

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Re: The official AHF small arms quiz thread

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Post by Trackhead M2 » 26 Oct 2012, 14:43

Petrus wrote:What do you think it is? The only hint is that this is Spanish.

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Dear P,
It is a CETME Assault Rifle, I am not sure of the model number.
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Re: The official AHF small arms quiz thread

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Post by Petrus » 29 Oct 2012, 16:54

Trackhead M2 wrote: It is a CETME Assault Rifle, I am not sure of the model number.
Not exactly. The rifle in question was a CETME's competitor.

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Re: The official AHF small arms quiz thread

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Post by Petrus » 30 Oct 2012, 11:28

Ok. The rifle is the CB-57 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calzada_Bayo_CB-57), whose designer was Colonel Joaquín de la Calzada Bayo (http://www.municion.org/792/7_92x51Cb52.htm).

Weight 4.69 kg
Barrel length 530 mm
Total length 1056 mm.
It was chambered for the 7.62x51 cartridge.

The photo and info come from "CETME: 50 años del fusil de asalto español" by José María Manrique García and Lucas Molina Franco.

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