Photos - Germans with captured firearms

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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Post by peeved » 30 Sep 2015 19:49

An actual captured Suomi: Danish Maskinpistol M/41 and maybe another based on the sign behind and possible front sight protectors. Photos from exp. eBay.de N:o 390905667120 & 390905665493.

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Post by peeved » 01 Oct 2015 21:02

DAK wheelgunner from exp. eBay.de N:o 151017508344.

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Post by peeved » 02 Oct 2015 18:53

Boys posing; No mag pic from exp. eBay.de N:o 271269123668.

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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Post by peeved » 03 Oct 2015 09:46

Brens from exp. eBay.de N:o 200782623035 & 381078870907.

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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Post by sven_69 » 07 Oct 2015 14:58

Hi Gents!
I'm very interested on this subject. If anybody knows OKW / OKH directives regarding handling, storing or destroying captured fire arms?

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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Post by peeved » 07 Oct 2015 19:41

Don't rightly know but I've seen this deactivation practice in several eBay shots: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... k#p1480175

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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Post by sven_69 » 07 Oct 2015 21:24

peeved wrote:Don't rightly know but I've seen this deactivation practice in several eBay shots: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... k#p1480175

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thanks for sharing, but I mean actual OKW documents. I searched, but not an easy task

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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Post by Poot » 09 Oct 2015 17:20

Hi sven_69,
While not an OKW or OKH document, there is an extensive post-war report by a former member of the German Ordnance Staff on this subject from the NARA archive:

Generalmajor Reinhardt, Hellmuth, et al. 'Utilization of Captured Materiel by Germany in World War II' Guide to Foreign Military Studies, 1945-1954. Department of the Army MS P-103, Washington, D.C. 1953.

It is a gold mine of information, but not a 'directive' with how-to instructions. I hope that helps-
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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Post by sven_69 » 09 Oct 2015 20:15

Poot wrote:Hi sven_69,
While not an OKW or OKH document, there is an extensive post-war report by a former member of the German Ordnance Staff on this subject from the NARA archive:

Generalmajor Reinhardt, Hellmuth, et al. 'Utilization of Captured Materiel by Germany in World War II' Guide to Foreign Military Studies, 1945-1954. Department of the Army MS P-103, Washington, D.C. 1953.

It is a gold mine of information, but not a 'directive' with how-to instructions. I hope that helps-
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Thanks I really appreciate it

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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Post by Poot » 09 Oct 2015 20:18

Glad I could help, good luck.
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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Post by Poot » 16 Oct 2015 23:56

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Here are two pictures from the Bundesarchiv showing Model 1941 Carcano rifles being used by what appear to be SS-Polizei (not 4th SS Div.) troops in Yugoslavia, 1943 or 1944.
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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Post by Poot » 21 Oct 2015 20:19

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I don't recall seeing many WWI Mauser rifles in pictures of Wehrmacht or associated personnel, but here's one with a Kar 98a. The other photos in the series appear to depict ex-Soviet troops in German uniforms and occasionally with a German NCO or officer, negating the possibility that these might be Partisans.

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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Post by LineDoggie » 21 Oct 2015 20:33

Poot wrote:
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I don't recall seeing many WWI Mauser rifles in pictures of Wehrmacht or associated personnel, but here's one with a Kar 98a. The other photos in the series appear to depict ex-Soviet troops in German uniforms and occasionally with a German NCO or officer, negating the possibility that these might be Partisans.

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I believe it may be a Polish Mauser, specifically a 98Az
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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Post by Poot » 22 Oct 2015 05:50

LineDoggie,
Not to split hairs, but I believe that the designation '98Az' is specifically German. The Polish version of that carbine is the kbk wz. 1898.

In any case, there's not enough of the stacking hook bend to determine whether it's a German Kar98AZ or a Polish kbk wz. 1898. The bend in the hook on the German original is rounded, while the bend on the Polish carbine is at a right angle. There's just not enough of it showing in the picture to make a positive determination. That being said, I think the simple fact that hordes of captured weapons were pressed into service for second and third tier units would provide a somewhat stronger argument for that one being a captured Polish carbine.

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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Post by Animal » 10 Nov 2015 16:00

Anyone want a Garand? Or a Thompson?
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