Photos - Germans with captured firearms

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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Post by Facu90 » 14 Aug 2020 23:26

ppsh 41 ammo pouch
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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Post by Facu90 » 14 Aug 2020 23:28

camouflage PPD-40
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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Post by Poot » 20 Aug 2020 22:02

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W-SS soldier standing post at an unknown location armed with a captured Czech Vz.24 rifle.
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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Post by Hisname » 21 Aug 2020 11:40

Poot wrote:
20 Aug 2020 22:02
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W-SS soldier standing post at an unknown location armed with a captured Czech Vz.24 rifle.
"A soldier of the 10th SS Regiment stands watch in a sheepskin coat from the roof of the Royal Castle in Krakow, Poland, 1940" (С)
I don’t know how much you can believe it, but I met this photo with such a signature.

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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Post by Poot » 21 Aug 2020 22:33

Mea culpa: The rifle in question is in fact a Czech Vz.23, not a Vz.24. I thought something looked 'off' about it, but I didn't have the time to expand the photo and look closer until today.

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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Post by Hisname » 22 Aug 2020 06:08

Vz.23
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It is difficult to determine with certainty, but I believe that this is most likely Vz 23.

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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Post by Poot » 22 Aug 2020 08:08

It's definitely a Vz.23, no question about it.

The second rifle you have photos of is a Vz.24. Compare the two, but note the characteristics of the rifle in the original photo:
The space between barrel bands is significantly shorter than on a Vz.24; there is no cross-bolt in the stock wrist for a side-sling attachment like the Vz.24; note where the rear sling swivel is, just to the rear of the small 'hump' in the bottom of the butt stock on the Vz.23, but on the Vz.24 the same point of attachment is further back, almost under the stock disc that is visible from the right side of the butt stock, but just slightly further to the rear.
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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Post by Hisname » 22 Aug 2020 10:56

Poot wrote:
22 Aug 2020 08:08
It's definitely a Vz.23, no question about it.

The second rifle you have photos of is a Vz.24. Compare the two, but note the characteristics of the rifle in the original photo:
The space between barrel bands is significantly shorter than on a Vz.24; there is no cross-bolt in the stock wrist for a side-sling attachment like the Vz.24; note where the rear sling swivel is, just to the rear of the small 'hump' in the bottom of the butt stock on the Vz.23, but on the Vz.24 the same point of attachment is further back, almost under the stock disc that is visible from the right side of the butt stock, but just slightly further to the rear.
Yes, the location of the rear sling swivel is the surest sign of difference.
I have posted these comparison photos so that other forum members can compare and understand the difference. Perhaps there are people here who are not so well versed in rifles of the WW2) Most people interested in weapons cannot tell the difference between Vz.24 and K98. It makes no sense to talk about more subtle nuances.

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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Post by Poot » 22 Aug 2020 14:39

You mentioned that it was 'most likely Vz 23,' so I listed the differences (subtle nuances) to illustrate that it could be nothing else BUT a Vz.23.
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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Post by Facu90 » 22 Aug 2020 21:38

I found this one on Pinterest.
PPS-43?
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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Post by Wat Tyler » 24 Aug 2020 08:05

Could anyone confirm what sort of grenade the central and far left soldiers are carrying? I thought the model 1943 but the protrusion on the top looks more conical than other photos i've seen.

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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Post by Hisname » 24 Aug 2020 12:09

Wat Tyler wrote:
24 Aug 2020 08:05
Could anyone confirm what sort of grenade the central and far left soldiers are carrying? I thought the model 1943 but the protrusion on the top looks more conical than other photos i've seen.


German M43 "Concussion" Stick Grenade
Stielhandgranate 43

"This was a significant departure from the previous design and was clearly aimed at making grenade production as simple as possible. The pull fuze and hollow handle were eliminated in favor of a solid handle with a simple formed threaded end to screw into the head. The warhead was modified to use the Bz39, (Brennzünder 39) "Ignition Fuze 39", which was the standard fuze in use for the Eihandgranate 39 "Egg Hand Grenade".
One advantage of this configuration is the handle was not required for the grenade to function, since the head was now self-contained.

An interesting feature of the Mod.43 in the photo is the rust outline of a smooth fragmentation sleeve which once was mounted." (С)
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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Post by Wat Tyler » 24 Aug 2020 12:37

Thanks , i presume the conical thing i'm looking at in the picture is some sort of safety cover for the fuse that was removed prior to throwing?

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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Post by Hisname » 24 Aug 2020 13:39

Wat Tyler wrote:
24 Aug 2020 12:37
Thanks , i presume the conical thing i'm looking at in the picture is some sort of safety cover for the fuse that was removed prior to throwing?
https://www.bergflak.com/m24m43.html

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Re: Photos - Germans with captured firearms

Post by Wat Tyler » 24 Aug 2020 13:52

Thanks again , on a bigger screen i can now make out the fuse as you posted and as i've seen before. Bit of an optical illusion seeing the "cone" , perhaps my eyes aren't what they used to be.

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