Germany's role in the Armenian genocide

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Germany's role in the Armenian genocide

Post by wm » 06 Feb 2024 21:20

Another conspiracy theory or the truth?
The German Reich provided the Ottoman Empire with the weapons to carry out the Armenian genocide, a new report claims. Prussian officers also laid the "ideological foundations" for the massacre, according to the author.
Turkish forces mainly used German rifles and other weapons to carry out the 1915-16 genocide of the Armenian people, a new report has found.

Mauser, Germany's main manufacturer of small arms in both world wars, supplied the Ottoman Empire with millions of rifles and handguns, which were used in the genocide with the active support of German officers. Historians have estimated that between 1 million and 1.5 million Armenians were killed in the two-year genocide.

"German officers who served in Turkish-Ottoman military staff actively helped carry out individual murders," according to the report by Global Net — Stop the Arms Trade (GN-STAT). "The majority of the aggressors were armed with Mauser rifles or carbines, the officers with Mauser pistols." Many German officers witnessed and wrote about the massacres in letters to their families.
The Turkish army was also equipped with hundreds of cannons produced by the Essen-based company Krupp, which were used in Turkey's assault on Armenian resistance fighters holding out on the Musa Dagh mountain in 1915.

In 2015, German President Joachim Gauck acknowledged Germany's "co-responsibility" for the Armenian genocide, while a book published in the same year by the journalist Jürgen Gottschlich detailed the political collusion of Turkey's most important European ally in the First World War, which provided military advice and training for the Ottoman Empire throughout the Wilhelmine period. But the new GN-STAT report is the first to detail the sheer extent of the material support provided by Mauser and Krupp.

"Mauser really had a rifle monopoly for the Ottoman Empire," said the report's author, Wolfgang Landgraeber, a filmmaker who has made several films about German weapons exports. Mauser is now defunct as a company, but Krupp's successor, the German steel giant ThyssenKrupp, has never publicly acknowledged the part that it played in the genocide.

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Re: Germany's role in the Armenian genocide

Post by wm » 06 Feb 2024 21:25

A fly in the ointment is the fact that Mauser was part of A.G. DWM (Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsfabriken) - technically, the most advanced German weapon company at that time.
And A.G. DWM was controlled by the (Jewish) Loewe family.

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Re: Germany's role in the Armenian genocide

Post by Tanzania » 07 Feb 2024 10:58

Even if Marcus is unfortunately no longer there, we should stick to his instructions

Discussions on the Armenian genocide viewtopic.php?f=80&t=116410#p1023811


Everyone has the right to their own opinion. However, you should be clear about which sources you consult.

If you look at the filmography and writings of the author Wolfgang Landgraeber, you quickly see how trendy his works are.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Landgraeber

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Re: Germany's role in the Armenian genocide

Post by stevebecker » 09 Feb 2024 21:27

Rubbish

Ottoman Armed forces brought weapons from all Countries, including Germany, France and Britain
MG s were French and German with some old British types
Yes the Germans were starting to requipt the Ottomans with newer Mauser rifles, but they still have many of the older types including winchesters
The older types were in the Para Military units, which carried out most of these acts of forced relocation
While many Germans were in the country and recorded what acts they saw, other then a few Staff officers most Germans never saw anything as they were in different parts of the country
About the only Germans who were acussed, were some in the Ottoman 3rd Army on staff, but never directly acted here.
But Holger is right this is not allowed to comment

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Re: Germany's role in the Armenian genocide

Post by Tanzania » 11 Feb 2024 20:26

stevebecker wrote:
09 Feb 2024 21:27
Rubbish . . . .

Maybe you’re in the wrong place if you don’t want to follow any rules?

But I think you just didn’t understand the meaning of the comments, as always.

It looks like you’re too old and understand only half of what’s meant?

Of course, it can also be that you only, as always have only a loud mouth?

Cheers Holger
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palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary” – G. ORWELL 1984

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Re: Germany's role in the Armenian genocide

Post by Tanzania » 22 Feb 2024 10:26

Tanzania wrote:
11 Feb 2024 20:26
stevebecker wrote:
09 Feb 2024 21:27
Rubbish . . . .
Maybe you’re in the wrong place if you don’t want to follow any rules?
But I think you just didn’t understand the meaning of the comments, as always.
It looks like you’re too old and understand only half of what’s meant?
Of course, it can also be that you only, as always have only a loud mouth?
I have to apologize to Steven for my harsh words; - My mistake; - complete misunderstanding on my part.

Regards Holger
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palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary” – G. ORWELL 1984

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