What unit was hiler in -in the great war

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What unit was hiler in -in the great war

Post by troy007 » 02 Jan 2003 02:14

Does anyone know what unit Hitler was in and have a history when he joined and where he had served in his deployment? thanks

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Post by Angelo » 02 Jan 2003 08:45

troy007 wrote:Does anyone know what unit Hitler was in and have a history when he joined and where he had served in his deployment? thanks


Here's what I could gather:

Oct. 8, 1914 - Recruit in the 16th. Bavarian Reserve Infantry Regiment (This unit was also known
as the "List Regiment" by the name of its first commander.
Swears allegiance to Ludwig III, Head of the Bavarian State and to Kaiser Wilhelm
of Germany.
Swears allegiance to Emperor Franz Josef of Austria.
Oct.10,1914 - Preliminary training in the vicinity of Munich completed
Oct.10 to 15- Marching and general maneuver training around Lechfeld (Lech Valley area)
Passing by a French POW Camp (Lech Valley)
Oct.17 Regiment training completed.
Oct.20 Boarding train to West Front.
Few days later Arrival at Ypres (Operational area)
Oct.29 Hitler and his unit join battle as storm troops attacking a sector held by
British troops.
Nov.3 What was left of Hitler's Regiment after that round was pulled out for
3 days reorganization.
Apparently, Regiment suffered 722 dead, including Commander, Col. Von List,
out of original force of 3.600 men.
Hitler promoted to Lance Corporal for his ability and courage during combat.
Though recommended by three officers as deserving Iron Cross 1st.Class
for "gallant conduct during the fighting", it looks like due to administrative
reasons he was only awarded the Iron Cross, 2nd Class which he received on
Dec. 2, 1914.
March 10,1915 Hitler's Regiment engaged in bitter fightings at Neuve Chapelle.
Apr. 22-May 8 Second Battle of Ypres and Hitler's Regiment engaged between Neuve Chapelle
and Arras with both British and French units.

Sept.23 Hitler and his Regiment still in the above area (Le Bassee- Arras) fighting two
of the fiercest and blodiest battles in that sector.

Early 1916 Feint attacks ordered by German High Command to distract French and British
units from main attack on Verdun. Hitler's Regiment shifted north to participate
to those feints.
June-July 1916 Hitler's Regiment ordered to Somme area where Anglo-French planned an offensive
to draw German troops away from Verdun.
Regiment reaches Fromelles (Lille)
Minor injury suffered by Hitler from shell splinter on his face.
October 7 Hitler seriously injured to his left thigh from British artillery barrage shell near
Le Barque (Bapaume).
As a consequence, Hitler is sent back to Germany for treatment after 2 years
of frontline duty.

December 1 Released from hospital
Dec.3 Reporting to his replacement battalion in Munich.

Jan.1917 Wrote to his commander for being assigned to his old regiment.
Feb Received positive answer to join his Regiment stationed near Ypres.
Early March Arrival at his unit
Shortly after Regiment ordered to Ostend for special training.
April 4 Regiment ordered back to Arras where was put in reserve.
End of May After end of two battles of Arras, Hitler is ordered a few miles north to
Artois.
June Hitler still stationed in Artois area.
July Bginning of July Hitle's regiment stationed in Ypres area.
End of July British offensive against Ypres
August Regiment badly mauled. Only few companies left.
Regiment ordered out of area and shipped by train to Colmar (Alsace) for
1 month's rest.
Hitler receiving Cross of Merit, 3rd.Class with Swords for bravery during
fightings at Arras and Ypres.
End September On leave to Dresden.
October 6 In Berlin on the eve of his visit to Spital
October 17 Hitler returns to his Regiment stationed south of the Ailette River (few
miles north of Aisne River).

March 21,1918 Somme area.
April Beginning of April, Hitler's Regiment close to Fontain (Montdidier)

Mid April till End Regiment enduring some 3 weeks of bombardment and gas while heading
toward Cantigny.
End April Regiment sent back to Ailette for refitting.

May 9 Hitler receives citation for action performed at Fontaine
May 16(approx.) Hitler awarded the Black Medal for Wounded.
Hitler taking part to at all phases of current offensive at
Soissons, Reims, Champagne area, River Ailette and Aisne and on
the Marne.
For 3 months his Regiment was shifted from one position to another
in the giant salient.
June Hitler,by himself, takes 4 prisoners while on a messenger duty and
delivers them directly to Col. Anton Freiherr von Tubeuf.
August Hitler receives the Military Service Medal, 3rd.Class for outstanding service.
August 4 Hitler awarded Iron Cross, 1st. Class for personal bravery and general merit.
Recommendation for such decoration was signed on July 17,1918 by
Lt.Col. Michael Freiherr von Godin.
Early September Hitler's Regiment sent back to Ypres, in Reserve
Second and last furlough. To Berlin and Spital where he met his younger sister
Paula and his stepsister Angela.
Back to Berlin after a few days.
Back to frontline duty near Comines (Werwick)
October 1918 nth Battle of Ypres. Hitler's Regiment involved.
October 13 Hitler exposed to gas attack causing temporary blindness.
Hitler evacuated to Oudenaarde Field Hospital (25 miles behind lines) for
emergency treatment, then to Ghent.
Within a week sent by train to Pasewalk military hospital, north of Berlin.
October 20 Germany agrees to Wilson's conditions and that put an end to the war.

Source:http://smoter.com/

I don't claim the summary I made is exhaustive or free from mistakes.
So, if you feel like double checking it with the source, you'll certainly find
a lot of interesting details which obviously I could not insert in this post
for lack of time and also for being somehow off topic.
I can't say the info is correct either (though I hope so, of course) as I never cared to dig deeper into that.
I only meant to give you a start. I'm sure other fellow posters will be able
to contribute possible better sources and info.

Regards.

Angelo

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Re: What unit was hiler in -in the great war

Post by nasdaq7 » 02 Jan 2003 21:33

Angelo, I find Hitler's military record during WWI amazing. I never
knew he was such a brave soldier.

Hitler saw so much fighting during WWI - some of the fiercest
fighting in history that included the use of chemical weapons. One
tends to judge Hitler too harshly - but I think if you saw
the fighting he saw - some men went insane during the war...

I think it is unfortunate when men like Hitler and Ariel Sharon of
Israel - men who has seen fighting most of their lives
become leaders of countries. I think the leader of Japan
during WWII also came from a fierce military background.

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Post by Angelo » 02 Jan 2003 23:23

I do agree nasdaq7.

Personally, I never questioned Hitler's bravery during the bloody course
of WWI. Though he was mainly engaged as either a message carrier (runner) or as an advanced scout, duties he apparently always fulfilled
to the best of his ability, often under extremely dangerous conditions,
he also participated in the bloodiest battles of the Somme and, according
to both comrades and superiors, he never lacked courage and ability.

But if I may say a convinction I have without the intention to offend any
of his sincere fans, I would describe him as the typical "war animal".
To clarify this concept, I would say he had almost all of the features a
predator needs to make the day and, if well directed, he could surely
overcome difficulties which would have made many other break down
or give up.
That is sure an outstanding feature, but it takes a lot more than that to
be a clever, far sighted politician, a sufficiently educated individual to
be able to judge objectively macro-situations or strategic scenarios and
be able to synthesize such an overall vision without losing its main focal
point and come out with a number of reasonable solutions in order to
take advantage of all possible and available nuances offered by the picture without grossly impairing the necessity of improving his own starting position. That he could never have done, for the simple reason
that he only grasped the "short ranged" action>reaction effect of a given
decision but he was prevented by both a lack of cultural background and
his pathological psychism, to view objectively any complex, long term
evolution of that given situation.
The "elementary" way he followed throughout his career to reach those
goals he managed to portray in his writings and speeches is the best
evidence of the poor perception that he had about the objective impossibility to materialize even one of his dreams.

But, anyway, I wouldn't want to go offtopic, but you're quite right in your
conclusion; men that made good soldiers rarely make good leaders. The
dynamics of warfare when applied to leadership give us that sample-book
of semi-pathological cases usually presented as great big heroes, history has recorded, no matter how one may try to deny it.

The world seems to love sticking to its blunders rather than learning not
to make them again.
Reading today's papers and viewing our daily tv reports only confirms the
above thesis.

Let's keep on hoping with a year so young as this one.... :)

Best regards.

Angelo

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Post by Lord Gort » 02 Jan 2003 23:57

I do not contest this, but simply add that when i saw a documentary on Hitler it infact stated that as a runner that Hitler saw little action.

I will look into it.

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Post by nasdaq7 » 03 Jan 2003 02:36

What an answer Angelo!
Angelo wrote: That is sure an outstanding feature, but it takes
a lot more than that to be a clever, far sighted politician,
a sufficiently educated individual to be able to judge objectively
macro-situations or strategic scenarios and be able to synthesize
such an overall vision


I feel that a leader has to have the ability to anticipate a situation
that will occur in the future and needs to prevent that situation. The Greeks call it Prophylaxis. To 'prevent'.

Strategy is such an interesting and useful concept in everyday life.

I gave Hitler credit for understanding economics,

http://www.thirdreichforum.com/phpBB2/v ... c&start=20

but I wonder if it wasn't simply his 'war animal instincts' that drove him
to divert 64% of GDP to the creation of a war machine during the
Great Depression.

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What unit was hiler in -in the great war

Post by Angelo » 03 Jan 2003 03:23

Agreed, nasdaq7 and I won't comment on the kind of concept Hitler
annexed to prophylaxis, just to keep everything as serious as possible.
Well, let me just add a benign smile, :)

As to economy, he sure had a better notion, but you know once you
see the world through the lens of a megalomaniac who put sheer brutality
and force as the guiding lines of his leadership is quite obvious that you
give cannons top priority. More so if you know you can count on some
millions followers who, for different reasons, will accept being the
fodder.

And here's the beginning of that tragedy which I see connatural to the
blind acceptance of the motto: "right or wrong it's my country".

And again, I must apologize for sliding offtopic. Sorry.

Thanks and regards.

Angelo

PS-
Sorry, I was forgetting to answer your final paragraph.
No, that wasn't motivated only by his being a true born predator.
Of course he knew that he needed a powerful Army if he ever wanted
to challenge the "rotten democracies", to make some room available in the
the east to his people and necessarily conquer the European Russian
territory to grant himself and his devotees the chance to live off the
slave job he had in mind for the oriental "subhumans".
And building up a whole army from almost scratch sure meant giving his
Krupps magnates a chance to feel how goody it was to have such a boss
while, at the same time, giving Germany a chance to buy herself the
new warrior's armor he cherished so much. And then he was even helped
by his future victims who gladly made business with him probably sticking to the idea that money doesn't smell.
In that case, he certainly combined his instincts with a pragmatical view
of the situation, but, again that view was wrong.
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Post by nasdaq7 » 03 Jan 2003 03:40

Apology accepted, Angelo!

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thanks

Post by troy007 » 03 Jan 2003 05:41

thanks for the info, just wondering if i ran into a luger or rifle that is unit marked could it have come from his. thanks again

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