What if about German Panzers

Panssarijääkäri · Post by **Panssarijääkäri** » 10 May 2003 20:48

http://www.panzernet.com/articulos/wwone/wwone.html

What would happen if Germany had developed LK-series earlier? And not wasting time into A7U and other junktanks? Would it had a impact in battle? Could Germany have better negociation positions?

(I have bad english....I am only 13-years....with a school grade A)

ChristopherPerrien · Post by **ChristopherPerrien** » 10 May 2003 22:01

The biggest problem with the German use of tanks in WWI was that the German High command and it's Generals like Ludendorf the CinC did not believe or think that tanks were an effective weapon, this was their state of mind until 1918.

It is shown by the fact that the AV7 was designed as a mobile pillbox not a tank.

Also in 1917 the German High command had developed effective tactics for breaking though trenches without tanks. The stormtroopers assaults
or to be more accurate, Von Hutier tactics worked great. They did not need tanks. This also created less incentive for using or building them.

I doubt a few tanks added in with "wrong" tactics would have helped them at all. To support this I add that, By the end of the war they had used hundreds of captured tanks and that did not help.

Juha Tompuri · Post by **Juha Tompuri** » 10 May 2003 22:54

Hi Panssarijääkäri!

Interesting link!

Regards, Juha 3x13y and bad english

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Mark V · Post by **Mark V** » 10 May 2003 23:11

Welcome Panssarijääkäri !!

Mark V (2.5x13 and even worse English)

Panssarijääkäri · Post by **Panssarijääkäri** » 11 May 2003 09:08

Hi everybody.

What would happen if germans had more tanks, like 900? LK II outclassed English "Whippet" in most things expect range. If LK-series had been producted in masses earlier, could they change course of war?

Which one would win, Mark V or LKII "Kannon"? My guess is LK, because it can move faster than Mark and with its turret it can fire at the same time.

BTW, it is "A7V" not "AV7"...

Juha Tompuri · Post by **Juha Tompuri** » 11 May 2003 20:30

Panssarijääkäri wrote: Which one would win, Mark V or LKII "Kannon"? My guess is LK, because it can move faster than Mark and with its turret it can fire at the same time.

Hmm let´s see...LKII can reach 16km/h...and Mark V... male or female?...

Regards, Juha

ChristopherPerrien · Post by **ChristopherPerrien** » 11 May 2003 20:44

No tank in WWI could fire cannons accurately on the move in WWI,

That requires gyrostabilizers and some mechanical elevation and traverse mechanisms not yet invented in WWI for land combat.

That Mark V British male Tank was a pretty "Badass" tank if you ask me.

Of course I only operated M60 and M1 tanks so I really don't know

Ti.P · Post by **Ti.P** » 19 May 2003 07:52

Chris could tanks fire on the move in WWI i thought on the move shooting was a fairly recent thing!

ChristopherPerrien · Post by **ChristopherPerrien** » 20 May 2003 01:49

No tank in WWI could fire cannons accurately on the move in WWI, They could fire machine guns of course while moving.

It was really dangerous to hold on to a manually operated cannon when a WWI tank was pitching and rolling. In fact it still is dangerous to do in any tank. I saw a friend get his arm broken by an M1 Abrams manual traverse mechanism that he "engaged" while we were moving. The inertia
in a big hunk of metal like a turret or a cannon while in motion cannot be controlled.

Electric and hydraulic elevation mechanisms for tanks were not (invented) until after the war(WWI) ended. This ended manual control cannons in tanks.

I think gyrostabilizers were first put in tanks in the 1930's. In WWII the Sherman tank had gyrostabilizers among a few others.

The gyrostabilizer was an adoption of old technology that enabled ships
to fire more accurately while at sea (i.e.waves) it enabled tanks to do the same on land.

The Germans did not use gyros in tanks in WWII, but there are some stories of certain expert German tankers managing to shoot while moving and hitting targets ( Ernst Barkmann, et.al.)