German Baltic Division in Finland 1918

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Post by Ike_FI » 18 May 2003 21:24

Interesting photos, Moulded. I took some tonight too from those places I could recognize:
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Post by Ike_FI » 18 May 2003 21:42

Two more.
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Post by Peter H » 18 May 2003 23:45

Great pics Ike,thanks for the presentation. :)

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Post by Peter H » 18 May 2003 23:57

Harri,
The source of the 19th Landwehr deployment is from Histories of Two Hundred and Fifty-One Divisions of the German army which participated in the War(1914-1918),AEF Intelligence Section,1919.It says towards "the end of July all three regiments of the Division were indentified in Finland,but seem to have gone to Estonia by August".Until I find a German source to verify this deployment,it could be faulty intelligence.However they were right about the 12th Landwehr Division operating in Finland.

The best known 'Finnish' Corps in the Russian Army of 1914 was the 22nd Finnish Corps.It fought in the Masurian Lakes region in September 1914,and was moved later south to fight in the Carpathian Mountains in 1915.

This was its OOB:

1st & 3rd Finnish Rifle Bdes (FRB)
2nd Finnish Rifle Div
4th Finnish Rifle Div

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Post by Peter H » 19 May 2003 00:21

von der Goltz and Mannerheim.
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Post by Peter H » 19 May 2003 00:29

More on the formation of the 27th Jager Battalion:

http://www.pp.clinet.fi/~pkr01/history/lockstdt.html

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Post by Hanski » 19 May 2003 18:39

Ike_Fi, thank you for sharing the pictures. But are you certain the scars in the Pitkäsilta bridge are from 1918, or were they caused by aerial bombardments of the Winter War or the Continuation War?

Slight wartime bomb fragment damage to old stone structures in buildings, bridges, and statues are still visible in Helsinki, if you know to look for them (athough Helsinki air defence was a success story in WWII). The pedestal of the statue of Snellman in front of the main office of Bank of Finland has visible pits on it with stone chipped off, as a result of Winter War bombing AFAIK.

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Post by Ike_FI » 19 May 2003 19:36

hmononen wrote:Ike_Fi, thank you for sharing the pictures. But are you certain the scars in the Pitkäsilta bridge are from 1918, or were they caused by aerial bombardments of the Winter War or the Continuation War?


I'm quite sure they are from 1918's skirmishes, more detailed battle description was published ages ago in the paper version of Helsingin Sanomat, but you can find some online references at

http://www.helsinginsanomat.fi/uutisark ... 7ka09.html and http://www.pitkasilta.hai.fi/kukkulalle/tori.htm

Slight wartime bomb fragment damage to old stone structures in buildings, bridges, and statues are still visible in Helsinki, if you know to look for them (athough Helsinki air defence was a success story in WWII). The pedestal of the statue of Snellman in front of the main office of Bank of Finland has visible pits on it with stone chipped off, as a result of Winter War bombing AFAIK.
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That's correct, traces of bombing can be also found for instance in the buildings around the Senate Square (at least from Feb 44 raids) and in the building of Technical College in Hietalahti, some blocks away from where I live. My grandmother who is still very smart-minded what it comes to things that happened during the war was in the city during the first day of Winter War and has told me about how she witnessed the first surprise bombings - his brother was studying in the T.C. by that time and after noticing that bombs had hit the neighbourhood, she feared the worst for some time, luckily unnecessarily.

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Post by Hanski » 20 May 2003 07:23

Ike_FI, you proved your point! According to one of the links, it seems the scars on the bridge were actually caused by German fire, related to the subject of this thread. Thank you for clarifying this historical detail, which all of us will now remember when crossing the bridge in Helsinki.

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Post by Peter H » 22 May 2003 09:19

More on the 27th Jagers and the helmets they wore:

http://home.tiscali.be/be033830/jukka/j ... allery.htm

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Post by Peter H » 10 Jul 2003 07:26

Some more photos.
From Der Krieg 1914-19 in Wort und Bild
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Post by Peter H » 10 Jul 2003 07:31

Mannerheim.
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Post by Peter H » 10 Jul 2003 07:33

The Parade in May 1918.
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Post by Peter H » 10 Jul 2003 07:34

French helmets worn by White Guard.
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Post by KalaVelka » 13 Jul 2003 07:27

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I live about 100m from that trench. It is located in Kannelmäki, near those maununeva forts. When i was young we used to play in those trenches. Sadly those trenches are full of rubbish now.


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