Major August SCHAER (KIA August 20, 1914)

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Major August SCHAER (KIA August 20, 1914)

Postby EM » 26 Oct 2005 17:30

Hi all of you,
Could anyone tell me what unit a Major August SCHAER served with? He was killed in action on August 20, 1914, in an area comprised between Abreschviller ("Alberschweiler"), Voyer ("Weier"), Biberkirch, Troisfontaines ("Drei Brunnen"), Vallerysthal, Walscheid, Saint-Leon. All I know is some of the units in this area were the following ones: IR 143, IR 99, IR 169, IR 105, IR 136, JB 14, FeldArtillerie Reg. 84... He is now buried at the German military cemetery of Walscheid.
Thanks a lot in advance!
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Postby JPK » 26 Oct 2005 20:16

Bonsoir Eric
In Ehren-Rangliste 1914, I find a Major Schaer in 1.Unter Elsässisches Infanterie Regiment Nr 132 / 39 Division KIA 21.8.1914 b.St Leon.
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Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 132

Postby Glenn2438 » 26 Oct 2005 20:35

Hi Eric,

The Ehrenmal des preußischen Offizier-Korps confirms his unit at the time of death as Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 132. It gives the 20th of August at St. Léon as the date of death.

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Postby EM » 27 Oct 2005 17:52

Hi,
Thanks a lot to both of you. Great job, gentlemen!
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Eric
PS As I see you own excellent sources, could you also tell me what unit Christian SEYSTHAL served with in 1914? He was killed on August 21 over the Breuch valley as an Oberleutnant. Sorry, I found his grave this very afternoon! :oops:

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Postby JPK » 27 Oct 2005 21:26

Bonsoir,

Oberleutnant Christian SEYSTHAL is unknow in my Ehren-Rangliste.

Major v.Elpons was killed on 21.8.1914 b.St Léon
Hauptmann Simon KIA 21.8.1914 b.St Léon
both from IR 132/61 IBr./39 Div.

Lt Magenau from IR 126/61 IBr./39 Div.was killed on 20.8.14 b.St Léon

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Postby EM » 28 Oct 2005 07:26

Hi Jean,
Thanks a lot for these elements, that I can now add to my research about the Walscheid area. As for Seysthal, he must have been a Bavarian officer, that's all I know.
I have two very nice photos taken recently at Lafrimbolle (Moselle), of two gravestones of German officers. I think they would look nice on the forum, but I'm not technically skilled enough to show them. Can I send them to you?
Their gravestones read:
- Hier ruht der Königl. Major u. Abteilgs. Commdr. 1. Feld. Artill. Regt. 50 Herr M. WULFF
- HERKO EGBERT HUGO HAYESSEN Fahnenjunker und Oberjäger im Lauenb. Jäger Bat. N° 9 gefallen auf dem Felde der Ehre bei Val am 10. Januar 1915.

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Postby JPK » 28 Oct 2005 11:56

Bonjour Eric

Avec plaisir pour ces photos de tombes.
In my " book "Major Wulff Feldartillerie regiment 150 KIA 21.8.1914 b.Nitting
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Christian Seystahl

Postby Glenn2438 » 29 Oct 2005 17:09

Eric,

Christian Seystahl was a Bavarian Oberleutnant der Landwehr. He had been originally commissioned as a Leutnant der Reserve in the 23. Infanterie-Regiment but by 1914 was on Landwehr status subordinated to Landwehrbezirk Hof.

Leutnant der Reserve: 27.1.06
Oberleutnant der Landwehr: 25.8.13

I have not yet been able to determine his unit in August 1914.

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Postby EM » 30 Oct 2005 07:41

Hi Glenn,
Thanks a lot for these new elements.
Saysthal's grave can be seen in the small Franco-German cemetery of Ranrupt (Bas-Rhin), which gathers 21 French graves and 3 German graves (and a German mass grave containing the remains of 89 Bavarian soldiers).
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Re: Major August SCHAER (KIA August 20, 1914)

Postby MargieT » 20 Jun 2011 12:19

I was astounded to read your post as my great grandfather August Karl Heinrich Storm died on the same day 20th of August 1914 in Dreibrunen. My family moved to Australia and we have lost all contact with the Storm family and have been trying to find out any information we can. I would be excited even if we found out where he was buried.

He was in Fus.-Regt 40,7 Komp.
weftarbeiter/Fusilier

Regards MargieT

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Re: Major August SCHAER (KIA August 20, 1914)

Postby Ken S. » 20 Jun 2011 19:59

from the regiment's honor roll:
S t o r m A u g u s t, Füsl., geb. 29. 1. 91, Hollenbeck, Lauenburg, gef. 19. 8. 14, Vallerystal

this could well be him, despite the slight difference in date. The regimental history briefly mentions the events of Aug. 19, which involved 7. Komp., and the locations mentioned are only several kilometres from the cemetery:

August Storm ruht auf der Kriegsgräberstätte in Plaine-de-Walsch.
Endgrablage: Grab 25
Nachname: Storm
Vorname: August
Dienstgrad: Füsilier
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 24.08.1914

(source: http://volksbund.de/)

MargieT wrote:I was astounded to read your post as my great grandfather August Karl Heinrich Storm died on the same day 20th of August 1914 in Dreibrunen. My family moved to Australia and we have lost all contact with the Storm family and have been trying to find out any information we can. I would be excited even if we found out where he was buried.

He was in Fus.-Regt 40,7 Komp.
weftarbeiter/Fusilier

Regards MargieT

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Re: Christian Seystahl

Postby Ken S. » 20 Jun 2011 23:38

I found this being offered by an online bookseller:

Weber, Heinrich; Schwarz, Alfred; Bergler, Carl (Hrsg.): Erlanger Germanen-Stammbuch. Hefte Nr. 7 u. 8 v. 1.März.1918, Nr. 9 u. 10 v. Juni 1918, Nr. 13 u. 14 v. Dezember 1918, Nr. 15 u. 16 v. Februar 1919, Nr. 50/51 v. Januar 1928 u. Nr. 52/53 v. Juli 1928. 6 Hefte.

Nürnberg/Erlangen, o.V., 1918.8°, 8 OBrosch. m. je ca. 30-70 Seiten, Burschenschaft v. Erlangen, m. zahlr. teils ganzseit. Fotoabb. v. Personen u. Mitgliedern, Faksimiles u. Illustrationen, enthält Beiträge über Sieglitzhof (Stammkneipe d. Bruderschaft) b. Nürnberg, Lieder, Sprüche, Gedichte, Christian Seystahl (1878 - 1914), Theodor Barthel, Franz Spiegel, Wilhelm Bartold, zahlr. Feldpostbriefe, Stammtafel f. versch. Semester, Namenslisten, Adolf Meixner, Oskar Helms, Karl Ulrich, Heinrich Weißmann, Christian Hegwein, Karl Hagen, Otto Schödel, Emil Faber, Otto Krüger, Wilhelm Heß, Friedrich Gölz, Theo Weigel, Ernst Günther Schultze, Georg Wunder, Wihlem Hocke, Fritz Gantz, Gottlob Weigel, Hermann Mayer, Adolf Denkler, Johannes Siebenhaar, Erlanger Karzer, Wulf Lühr, Richard Ackermann, Erlanger Universitätspolizei um 1830, Strafgericht v. 1832, Stiefelwichser, August Gloßner, Johannes Seidl, Friedrich Knoke, Hermann Beckh, u.a., kl. Gebrauchsspuren, 1x etw. wasserwellig, mehr. kl. Anmerkungen u. Unterstreichungen, stw. ger. fleckig, insges. ordentliche Exemplare, recht selten! 1928,.


Glenn2438 wrote:Eric,

Christian Seystahl was a Bavarian Oberleutnant der Landwehr. He had been originally commissioned as a Leutnant der Reserve in the 23. Infanterie-Regiment but by 1914 was on Landwehr status subordinated to Landwehrbezirk Hof.

Leutnant der Reserve: 27.1.06
Oberleutnant der Landwehr: 25.8.13

I have not yet been able to determine his unit in August 1914.

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Glenn

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Re: Major August SCHAER (KIA August 20, 1914)

Postby MargieT » 21 Jun 2011 00:23

Ken S. wrote:from the regiment's honor roll:
S t o r m A u g u s t, Füsl., geb. 29. 1. 91, Hollenbeck, Lauenburg, gef. 19. 8. 14, Vallerystal

this could well be him, despite the slight difference in date. The regimental history briefly mentions the events of Aug. 19, which involved 7. Komp., and the locations mentioned are only several kilometres from the cemetery:

August Storm ruht auf der Kriegsgräberstätte in Plaine-de-Walsch.
Endgrablage: Grab 25
Nachname: Storm
Vorname: August
Dienstgrad: Füsilier
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 24.08.1914

(source: http://volksbund.de/)

MargieT wrote:I was astounded to read your post as my great grandfather August Karl Heinrich Storm died on the same day 20th of August 1914 in Dreibrunen. My family moved to Australia and we have lost all contact with the Storm family and have been trying to find out any information we can. I would be excited even if we found out where he was buried.

He was in Fus.-Regt 40,7 Komp.
weftarbeiter/Fusilier

Regards MargieT



Thankyou so much!
So what cemetry do you think he would be buried in?
Sorry i am new at this, so I am still learning.
Regards
Margie Thomas

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Re: Major August SCHAER (KIA August 20, 1914)

Postby MargieT » 21 Jun 2011 02:45

Dear KenS,
I have told my brother and he wants me to thank you as this is very exciting for my family. We have been searching for years.
Is there any chance of accessing the honor roll so that we may read it ourselves?
Regards,
Margie T

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Re: Major August SCHAER (KIA August 20, 1914)

Postby Ken S. » 21 Jun 2011 02:53

The cemetery is Plaine-de-Walsch. According to the regimental history on August 19 his company advanced toward a village called Sitifort which is about 3 km to the SE of Plaine-de-Walsch and were fired upon by the French. The regimental history states that among the killed were a Lt. Thelen and Feldwebel (ie. a Sergeant) Marienfeld. According to Volksbund there was a Lt. Leonard Thelen who died August 20 and a Vizefeldwebel Marienfeld who died August 21. Both are said to be in unmarked graves, possibly in Plaine-de-Walsch. That shows that in general there appear to have been discrepancies in the dating for casualties at this time and location, also that the burial for members of the regiment killed during this time would (likely) have been Plaine-de-Walsch.

In terms of August Storm's birthplace, there is an online record of the village's war memorial as well as a list of names (Namensregister). Since he does not appear on the list, he likely was resident elsewhere. Fusilier-Regiment Nr. 40 was associated with (but not garrisoned in) a territory called Hohenzollern in southern Germany (around the city of Sigmaringen). After the war, the territory compiled an extensive honor roll listing most from the territory who served in the war, c. 14,000 names. If he was resident there, he will likely be listed; unfortunately, there is no index, and the men are listed by town/village which makes searching a little difficult if you don't know what community they're from. Also I have a book about the garrison of Rastatt where the regiment was located in peacetime. It also has an honor roll.

http://www.weltkriegsopfer.de/Friedhof- ... 10637.html


MargieT wrote:Thankyou so much!
So what cemetry do you think he would be buried in?
Sorry i am new at this, so I am still learning.
Regards
Margie Thomas


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