Artillery in the colonies 1914

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Re: Artillery in the colonies 1914

Post by danebrog » 05 Apr 2021 00:10

Tanzania wrote:
04 Apr 2021 14:43
Any indication for your feeling?
Well, let's have a look::
same area (Lukigura), same period (24th June 1916), British armoured car (Leyland) shot up, German gun (3.7-cm) captured......

http://www.kaiserscross.com/188001/442901.html
The fight at the Lukigura River, 24th June 1916
Meanwhile at 0700 hours on 24th June Sheppard’s armoured cars [of No 1 Light Battery] came into contact with a German outpost. The cars pushed forward towards the bridge over the river but attracted heavy rifle, machine gun and pom-pom fire; one car was disabled but the crew gallantly recovered it to a safe position.
(...)
Hoskins’ column captured 14 Germans, 20 Askari and the enemy machine guns plus a field gun.
viewtopic.php?f=73&t=107333&start=45#p2184991
24.Juni - 3,7-cm SK -- Lukigura
You will remember - the list dates back to the Panzer-Archiv days.

and finally:
01_Captured German pom-pom.png
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Re: Artillery in the colonies 1914

Post by Tanzania » 06 Apr 2021 12:21

The loss of the 3,7-cm RK was clear mentioned by Ludwig Boell at 01:30 pm. on 24. June 1916
by Negero-chini at the Lukigura-position northern the Kanga-ridge.

Here an own photo in June 2017 with view at Negero-chini back on the Kanga-ridge.

View at Negero-chini back on the Kanga-ridge, June 2017.JPG

I questioned only the Leyland Armoured Cars.
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Re: Artillery in the colonies 1914

Post by Tanzania » 06 Apr 2021 13:07

The Lukigura-River

The Lukigura-River.JPG

And the Bridge (. . . where the 3,7-cm RK were lost.)

Bridge over the Lukigura River.JPG

Here the Google Position from the Lukigura River:
https://www.google.de/maps/place/Lukigu ... d37.898718

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Re: Artillery in the colonies 1914

Post by Chris Dale » 06 Apr 2021 16:01

It's great to see modern photos of the battlefields. Thanks Holger...

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Re: Artillery in the colonies 1914

Post by danebrog » 06 Apr 2021 16:46

Tanzania wrote:
06 Apr 2021 12:21
I questioned only the Leyland Armoured Cars.
Holger, it's still a habit from our old research days to answer your questions as accurately as possible - as it's always worked well so far. :wink:
(And it was precisely with the armoured cars that I once occupied myself quite intensively for a while.)
Gruß
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Re: Artillery in the colonies 1914

Post by Tanzania » 06 Apr 2021 19:00

Hi Chris,
It´s my pleasure. I would post more photos, but maybe my Laptop has a new Corona-Variant (?),
or the AHF Server is limited. Currently I am only be able to attach one bigger (1500 pixel),
or four smaller pictures (800 pixel) :roll:


Hi Oliver,
Thank you very much for your efforts.
When I found the source for the Leyland Armoured Car which was hit on 24th June, I will post it here later.

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Re: Artillery in the colonies 1914

Post by danebrog » 06 Apr 2021 19:45

Willoughby's No 1 Armoured Car Battery was part of the Divisional Troops of the 1st East African Division (Hoskins).
The division consisted of Hannyngton's Brigade and the 2nd East African Infantry Brigade.
Willoughby's wild bunch was the only armoured car unit in the division and was subordinate to Hannyngton at Lukigura.

Harry Fecitt and Edward Paice say the same about this, and I trust them as a "secondary source" as well

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Re: Artillery in the colonies 1914

Post by Tanzania » 08 Apr 2021 15:48

Thanks for your explanations.

My Tip & Run / Edward Paice don´t mention any Leyland Armoured Cars at Lukigura (only p. 207)

Also not by Military operations in East Africa / compiled by Charles Hordern:
Action of the Lukigura, 24th June 1916. (p. 303 – 305)
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id= ... up&seq=347


You have to take some time with the map . . . but however, currently I can´t find any coverage with Google maps.
Action of the Lukigura, 24th June 1916.png
Original Source: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id= ... up&seq=684

Because of the cooperation with Ludwig Boell, we can classify Charles Horden also as a trustful Primary source. (- Image -)

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Re: Artillery in the colonies 1914

Post by Tanzania » 09 Apr 2021 08:01

Here an update about the detail position of the 3,7-cm FK and MG´s, west of the Lukigura River (Not North, north-east)

Position of 3,7-cm & MGs at Lukigura.png
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