Artillery in the colonies 1914

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Re: Artillery in the colonies 1914

Post by Tanzania » 24 Apr 2021 11:23

But when we compare this proved, longest 3,7-cm L/30 Version with the 3,7-cm `Lukigura´
version, the question raised, if this would be maybe on of the shorter L/23 or L/21 versions
which Ludwig Boell mentioned in his letter to Sabath?

To be honest, the breech block looks also completely different, between both Versions.


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Re: Artillery in the colonies 1914

Post by danebrog » 24 Apr 2021 16:18

If I had to guess:
upper picture - Krupp with Gruson DNA (post 1893)
lower picture - purebred Krupp (pre 1893)

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Re: Artillery in the colonies 1914

Post by Tanzania » 25 Apr 2021 10:20

I would agree with the assumption. So we stay open for further investigations with the 3,7-cm Gun versions.
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Again; - thanks for the other info; - I will come back later to the 6-cm Gebirgskanone L/15 in Kolonial-Lafette)

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Re: Artillery in the colonies 1914

Post by nastle » 30 Sep 2021 04:17

Tanzania wrote:
25 Apr 2021 10:20
I would agree with the assumption. So we stay open for further investigations with the 3,7-cm Gun versions.
(
Again; - thanks for the other info; - I will come back later to the 6-cm Gebirgskanone L/15 in Kolonial-Lafette)

Cheers Holger
Thank you so much for the pics and information really enjoyed it

I was reading Jagers book on german artillery that when stalemate set in the germans employed a lot of naval guns on improvised carriages and mounts do you have any information on that or recommend a source

much appreciate it

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Re: Artillery in the colonies 1914

Post by Tanzania » 01 Oct 2021 08:05

Good morning nastle,

The best background information about the twelve naval guns of the small cruiser Königsberg in German East Africa
are summarized in this book: Königsberg. A German East African Raider by Kevin Patience

The best summary about German Artillery in all Colonies are here by Chris Dale:
http://www.germancolonialuniforms.co.uk/
http://www.germancolonialuniforms.co.uk ... illery.htm


In the three small volumes you will find the artillery of all nations between 1900 and 1970.
Volume 2 also contains the two naval calibres 10.5 and 15 cm, which were equipped with field mounts.

Leichte Feldgeschütze - Artillerie des 20. Jahrhunderts Band 1 by Kosar Franz,
Mittlere Feldgeschütze - Artillerie des 20. Jahrhunderts Band 2 by Kosar Franz,
Schwere Feldgeschütze - Artillerie des 20. Jahrhunderts Band 3 by Kosar Franz,

But maybe other readers know further books or sources?

We can All support the AHF if we by books through here: app.php/support

Cheers Holger
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Re: Artillery in the colonies 1914

Post by Bildberichter » 27 May 2022 13:45

I suspect this is one of the older (1885) 3,7cm Krupp (L/21?) guns mounted on a wheeled carriage and with an improvised shield and newer wheels added. Note the shoulder stock and angled carriage.

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Two more versions/mountings:

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Re: Artillery in the colonies 1914

Post by Bildberichter » 27 May 2022 14:06

On a side note... I can pose in the back of this photo if you like? ;-)

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Re: Artillery in the colonies 1914

Post by Bildberichter » 27 May 2022 14:23

Here is the L/23 as produced by Gruson and later Krupp after Herr Gruson passed away and Krupp bought his Magdeburg factory:

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danebrog wrote:
23 Apr 2021 00:01
3,7cm Grusonschnellladekanone

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more later, I'm too tired now....

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Re: Artillery in the colonies 1914

Post by Bildberichter » 27 May 2022 14:46

Here is a captured Boer 37mm Krupp L/30 at on display at the Gunpowder magazine of the Upnor-Castle, Kent, England. If some of our UK member ever get to it, please get us some better pictures and a serial number please!

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Re: Artillery in the colonies 1914

Post by Tanzania » 19 Jun 2022 04:42

Bildberichter wrote:
27 May 2022 13:45
I suspect this is one of the older (1885) 3,7cm Krupp (L/21?) guns mounted on a wheeled carriage and with an improvised shield and newer wheels added. Note the shoulder stock and angled carriage.

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Two more versions/mountings:

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Cheers!
Good morning MC,

Indeed, you solved the puzzle. :thumbsup:

The photos leave no doubt.

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Re: Artillery in the colonies 1914

Post by Tanzania » 19 Jun 2022 04:44

Bildberichter wrote:
27 May 2022 14:06
On a side note... I can pose in the back of this photo if you like? ;-)
Oh yes please, would be very interesting to know what was written.

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Re: Artillery in the colonies 1914

Post by Tanzania » 19 Jun 2022 04:48

Bildberichter wrote:
27 May 2022 14:46
Here is a captured Boer 37mm Krupp L/30 at on display at the Gunpowder magazine of the Upnor-Castle, Kent, England. If some of our UK member ever get to it, please get us some better pictures and a serial number please!

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I would like to support this kind request. :thumbsup:

Eventually we would learn where this cannon came from.

With sunny greetings from East Africa
Cheers Holger
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Re: Artillery in the colonies 1914

Post by wingsofwrath » 08 Aug 2022 00:54

danebrog wrote:
23 Apr 2021 06:48
6cm Kolonial Kanone:

Krupp had published a small catalogue on the occasion of the "Düsseldorfer Gewerbe- und Industrieausstellung 1902", where the gun is described as „6cm Gebirgskanone L/15 in Kolonial-Lafette“
I ran into this thread while doing research on some unidentified 60x115mmR cartridge casings with Karlshruhe headstamps and 1904-8 dates of manufacture.
They don't correspond to those from the more widely known 6-cm S-Bts K L/21 which are 60x54mmR, so another likely culprit would be the 6-cm Gebirgskanone L/15 in Kolonial-Lafette mentioned on page 7 of this thread.

I haven't been able to find any actual pictures of this particular piece of ordnance, but I have found a couple of drawings from the January 1902 edition of the Revue D'artillerie and I think you'd appreciate them. (https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6 ... f332.item)
It's interesting to note this seems to have a Gruson style vertical sliding-wedge breech rather than the Krupp horizontal sliding wedge of the 6-cm S-Bts K L/21 and also the fact the article mentions the 6-cm L/15 uses fixed ammunition unlike the 6-cm S-Bts whose ammunition is semi-fixed.

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Re: Artillery in the colonies 1914

Post by danebrog » 16 Nov 2022 22:25

Thanks for the link, very helpful!

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