Artillery in the colonies 1914
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But when we compare this proved, longest 3,7-cm L/30 Version with the 3,7-cm `Lukigura´
version, the question raised, if this would be maybe on of the shorter L/23 or L/21 versions
which Ludwig Boell mentioned in his letter to Sabath?
To be honest, the breech block looks also completely different, between both Versions.
Cheers Holger
version, the question raised, if this would be maybe on of the shorter L/23 or L/21 versions
which Ludwig Boell mentioned in his letter to Sabath?
To be honest, the breech block looks also completely different, between both Versions.
Cheers Holger
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If I had to guess:
upper picture - Krupp with Gruson DNA (post 1893)
lower picture - purebred Krupp (pre 1893)
upper picture - Krupp with Gruson DNA (post 1893)
lower picture - purebred Krupp (pre 1893)
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I would agree with the assumption. So we stay open for further investigations with the 3,7-cm Gun versions.
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Again; - thanks for the other info; - I will come back later to the 6-cm Gebirgskanone L/15 in Kolonial-Lafette)
Cheers Holger
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Again; - thanks for the other info; - I will come back later to the 6-cm Gebirgskanone L/15 in Kolonial-Lafette)
Cheers Holger
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Thank you so much for the pics and information really enjoyed it
I was reading Jagers book on german artillery that when stalemate set in the germans employed a lot of naval guns on improvised carriages and mounts do you have any information on that or recommend a source
much appreciate it
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Good morning nastle,
The best background information about the twelve naval guns of the small cruiser Königsberg in German East Africa
are summarized in this book: Königsberg. A German East African Raider by Kevin Patience
The best summary about German Artillery in all Colonies are here by Chris Dale:
http://www.germancolonialuniforms.co.uk/
http://www.germancolonialuniforms.co.uk ... illery.htm
In the three small volumes you will find the artillery of all nations between 1900 and 1970.
Volume 2 also contains the two naval calibres 10.5 and 15 cm, which were equipped with field mounts.
Leichte Feldgeschütze - Artillerie des 20. Jahrhunderts Band 1 by Kosar Franz,
Mittlere Feldgeschütze - Artillerie des 20. Jahrhunderts Band 2 by Kosar Franz,
Schwere Feldgeschütze - Artillerie des 20. Jahrhunderts Band 3 by Kosar Franz,
But maybe other readers know further books or sources?
We can All support the AHF if we by books through here: app.php/support
Cheers Holger
The best background information about the twelve naval guns of the small cruiser Königsberg in German East Africa
are summarized in this book: Königsberg. A German East African Raider by Kevin Patience
The best summary about German Artillery in all Colonies are here by Chris Dale:
http://www.germancolonialuniforms.co.uk/
http://www.germancolonialuniforms.co.uk ... illery.htm
In the three small volumes you will find the artillery of all nations between 1900 and 1970.
Volume 2 also contains the two naval calibres 10.5 and 15 cm, which were equipped with field mounts.
Leichte Feldgeschütze - Artillerie des 20. Jahrhunderts Band 1 by Kosar Franz,
Mittlere Feldgeschütze - Artillerie des 20. Jahrhunderts Band 2 by Kosar Franz,
Schwere Feldgeschütze - Artillerie des 20. Jahrhunderts Band 3 by Kosar Franz,
But maybe other readers know further books or sources?
We can All support the AHF if we by books through here: app.php/support
Cheers Holger
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I suspect this is one of the older (1885) 3,7cm Krupp (L/21?) guns mounted on a wheeled carriage and with an improvised shield and newer wheels added. Note the shoulder stock and angled carriage.


Two more versions/mountings:


Cheers!


Two more versions/mountings:


Cheers!
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Good morning MC,Bildberichter wrote: ↑27 May 2022 13:45I suspect this is one of the older (1885) 3,7cm Krupp (L/21?) guns mounted on a wheeled carriage and with an improvised shield and newer wheels added. Note the shoulder stock and angled carriage.
Two more versions/mountings:
Cheers!
Indeed, you solved the puzzle.

The photos leave no doubt.
Cheers Holger
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Oh yes please, would be very interesting to know what was written.Bildberichter wrote: ↑27 May 2022 14:06On a side note... I can pose in the back of this photo if you like?![]()
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I would like to support this kind request.Bildberichter wrote: ↑27 May 2022 14:46Here is a captured Boer 37mm Krupp L/30 at on display at the Gunpowder magazine of the Upnor-Castle, Kent, England. If some of our UK member ever get to it, please get us some better pictures and a serial number please!
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Eventually we would learn where this cannon came from.
With sunny greetings from East Africa
Cheers Holger
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I ran into this thread while doing research on some unidentified 60x115mmR cartridge casings with Karlshruhe headstamps and 1904-8 dates of manufacture.
They don't correspond to those from the more widely known 6-cm S-Bts K L/21 which are 60x54mmR, so another likely culprit would be the 6-cm Gebirgskanone L/15 in Kolonial-Lafette mentioned on page 7 of this thread.
I haven't been able to find any actual pictures of this particular piece of ordnance, but I have found a couple of drawings from the January 1902 edition of the Revue D'artillerie and I think you'd appreciate them. (https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6 ... f332.item)
It's interesting to note this seems to have a Gruson style vertical sliding-wedge breech rather than the Krupp horizontal sliding wedge of the 6-cm S-Bts K L/21 and also the fact the article mentions the 6-cm L/15 uses fixed ammunition unlike the 6-cm S-Bts whose ammunition is semi-fixed.


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Thanks for the link, very helpful!