SMS PLANET Anti-Aircraft Fire?

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SMS PLANET Anti-Aircraft Fire?

Post by Cristiano de S.O Campos » 02 Jun 2008 15:45

Hi Friends

I found one photo with german sailors using a machine gun against a airplane.

http://cgi.ebay.de/Schutztruppe-SMS-Pla ... dZViewItem
I have these same photo in my brazilian book about WW1 German East Africa Campaign that mentioned that the sailors are crews of Konigsberg.


The ebay photo is much more visible and show in the mütze of sailor the name of ship-SMS PLANET.

The SMS Planet was scuttled in Yap Island in 1914, to avoid capture by japanese navy.

So, these sailors are members of crew of SmS Planet, and not of konigsberg cruiser.

What are crew of SMS Planet doing in East Africa?

These photo could be taken in Pacific Islands? Because Planet was a survey ship in pacific waters service.

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Re: SMS PLANET Anti-Aircraft Fire?

Post by Auseklis » 02 Jun 2008 19:19

Crew of "PLANET" was picked up by Raider "Cormoran" and was interned at neutral US Guam at the end of 1914.
So you should consider the possibility that the publisher of your book is unreliable...

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Post by Cristiano de S.O Campos » 02 Jun 2008 21:29

Auseliks


Thanks for your apointment. :)


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Re: SMS PLANET Anti-Aircraft Fire?

Post by CharlesRollinsWare » 03 Jun 2008 03:04

Gents;

I suspect the photo is entirely legit and here is why;

Survey ship S.M.S. Planet, commanded by Korvettenkapitän Oswald Collmann with, I believe, a crew of 104 souls, and nominally part of Australische Station, was scuttled off Yap on 7 October 1914. However, her crew was an entirely new one sent out from Germany prior to the war starting. The old crew, 100 men under Oberleutnant zur See Gotthold Brocks was, at the same time, at sea enroute to Germany on SS Zeiten, a Nord-Deustscher Lloyd ship that had departed Colombo on 29 July and next made port in Mozambique (Neutral Portuguese Ost Afrika). Somehow the German sailors (and apparently the crew of the British SS City of Winchester as well) got to Mombassa where the German crew “acquired” a two-masted sailing vessel that they sailed to Lindi. From there they made it in small groups by boat or overland to join Fregattenkapitän Max Looff and S.M.S. Königsberg.

Thus, there were many men from S.M.S. Planet with S.M.S. Königsberg personnel in OstAfrika!

Mark E. Horan
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Re: SMS PLANET Anti-Aircraft Fire?

Post by Auseklis » 03 Jun 2008 06:09

Mark,

2 crews from one ship! That's great! Thanks for letting us know.

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Re: SMS PLANET Anti-Aircraft Fire?

Post by Chris Dale » 04 Jun 2008 11:20

Thanks Cristiano, Mark and Auskelis for this great thread and for proving me wrong... I think I've illustrated this guy on my website and having not seen such a good version of the photo before I had assumed he was Koenigsberg crew...

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Re: SMS PLANET Anti-Aircraft Fire?

Post by Cristiano de S.O Campos » 07 Jun 2008 14:36

I found more one photo about german saliors in east africa.


http://cgi.ebay.de/Schutztruppe-Matrose ... dZViewItem


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Re: SMS PLANET Anti-Aircraft Fire?

Post by Peter.J.Richardson » 21 Dec 2009 14:56

"Crew of "PLANET" was picked up by Raider "Cormoran" and was interned at neutral US Guam at the end of 1914."
Can someone on this forum provide sources for this.
During my research - www.ae1submarine.com - I thought the the SMS PLanet was scuttled when the Japanese 'Ibuki' was bearing down on Yap Island.
So I assumed that the Japanese took them prisoner. Did not realise the 'Cormoran' was in the vicinity.
Regards, Pete ([email protected])

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Re: SMS PLANET Anti-Aircraft Fire?

Post by Chris Dale » 21 Dec 2009 16:11

Hi Pete,
Welcome to the forum, glad you found something of interest. I couldn't get your website address to work. Is there another address for it?
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Re: SMS PLANET Anti-Aircraft Fire?

Post by Peter.J.Richardson » 22 Dec 2009 00:01

http://www.ae1submarine.com/ Chris, this is the only site link.
Regards, Pete

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Re: SMS PLANET Anti-Aircraft Fire?

Post by Steve Saunders » 21 Sep 2010 05:45

I have heard that one of the first 'Deeps' sounded was the New Britain Trench (8000 m) and at the time it was called the 'Planet Deep' after SMS Planet. I think it was in 1912. Any information on this, and how did they do it? A long cable and a steam winch?

(And Hi Peter, I was in touch with you a few years ago when I made a model of the AE1 for the Rabaul museum).

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Re: SMS PLANET Anti-Aircraft Fire?

Post by danebrog » 21 Sep 2010 11:25

This seems to be right

In german its calling "Lottrommel"
Regarding to Die Reise der S.m.s."planet" 1906/1907. Band 3: Ozeanografie
It was a Sigsbee sounding machine
http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/history/b ... agram.html

But planet just reached 8000m with the cable
1927 the light cruiser "Emden" (III) made a survey with sonar

5. Mai 1927 von Wolf Telegrafen Büro Berlin:
Die Marineleitung teilt mit:
Auf dem Wege von Makasar (Celebes) nach Nagasaki hat Kreuzer Emden, wie er soeben funktelegrafisch meldet, bei der Nachprüfung des Planettiefs eine Tiefe von 10.430 Metern gelotet. Er hat damit die größte bisher bekannte Meerestiefe entdeckt.
The Admiralty announced:
On the way from Makasar (Celebes) to Nagasaki cruiser Emden has , just as it reports funktelegrafisch, sounded a depth of 10,430 meters during the investigation of the planet lows . It thus has the largest known sea depth discovered.


source:
http://www.fregatte-emden.de/dieschiffe ... ffe13.html

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Re: SMS PLANET Anti-Aircraft Fire?

Post by Steve Saunders » 21 Sep 2010 23:38

Thanks,
I was hoping to write a little history for the 2012 centenary, but it looks like I missed it if it was in 1906/07! Are there any more details of the Planet’s or other research ships scientific discoveries when stationed at Rabaul? I hope to do a small display for the Rabaul Museum.

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Re: SMS PLANET Anti-Aircraft Fire?

Post by danebrog » 22 Sep 2010 09:31

Hi Steve

Seems we have a misunderstanding as my answer had the focus on the survey equipment and measures

To be accurate :

The Planettief was reported 9.788 m, sounded with a Sigsbee sounding machine in 1912 by survey ship SMS Planet
actual known deep: 9.142 m
Coordinates; 7° 0′ 0″ S, 154° 0′ 0″ E
Source:
Zeitschrift der Gesellschaft fur Erdkunde, 1912.
see also
Murray, J. and Hjort, J., 1912: The Depths of the Ocean
Map:
http://www.photolib.noaa.gov/htmls/map00238.htm

In 1927 the Emden III made a new research with echo sounder
and discovered nearby (10 Miles south) the Emdentief with 10.299m
Coordinates: 9° 0′ 0″ N, 127° 0′ 0″ E

You have to look for:
W. Brennecke/1915
Ozeanographische Arbeiten S. M. S. »Planet« im westlichen Stillen Ozean 1912/13

Hope this helps

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Re: SMS PLANET Anti-Aircraft Fire?

Post by danebrog » 23 Sep 2010 14:37

Steve
for your centenary history
a small collection of equipment used:

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P.187 Report Kapt.Lt Schlenzka about surveys with S.M.S. Möwe

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These publications may be of interest, too:

The influence of German surveying on the development of New Guinea
Robert LINKE, Australia

http://www.fig.net/pub/fig2006/papers/h ... e_0976.pdf

GERMAN NEW GUINEA:
A DIPLOMATIC, ECONOMIC
AND POLITICAL SURVEY
[By PETER OVERLACK]
(Read at a meeting of the Society on 26 July 1973)

http://espace.library.uq.edu.au/eserv/U ... _4_128.pdf

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