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Schutzgebiet Deutsch-Neuguinea 1914

Postby Gregorus » 03 Jan 2009 13:39

Hello, dear members!

I'm looking for information about arming Polizeitruppen in Schutzgebiet Deutsch-Neuguinea. Where stationed troops?
Are you know something about officers proving there? How looked the mobilization of the colony? What was the Australian and Japanese invasion force? What were the losses of fighting?
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Re: Schutzgebiet Deutsch-Neuguinea 1914

Postby Gregorus » 04 Jan 2009 09:33

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Re: Schutzgebiet Deutsch-Neuguinea 1914

Postby stulev » 04 Jan 2009 15:26

An account of the Batapaka battle is given in the OFFICIAL HISTORY OF AUSTRALIA IN THE WAR OF 1914 - 18 - VOLUME X THE AUSTRALIANS AT RABAUL.(more then 30 pages) from the Australian side. - might try inter-library loan ---- as far as I know that is the only battle fought in the capture of German New Guinea.


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Re: Schutzgebiet Deutsch-Neuguinea 1914

Postby stulev » 04 Jan 2009 19:27

The Australians lost 2 officers and 4 men kill in action with an additional 1 Officer and 3 men wounded.
and the Germans lost 1 white NCO and 30 natives killed and 1 white NCO and 10 natives wounded

the untrained native police were quoted by the Australians for their light losses when attacking the fairly strong German fortifications.

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Re: Schutzgebiet Deutsch-Neuguinea 1914

Postby Gregorus » 04 Jan 2009 20:19

stulev wrote:The Australians lost 2 officers and 4 men kill in action with an additional 1 Officer and 3 men wounded.
and the Germans lost 1 white NCO and 30 natives killed and 1 white NCO and 10 natives wounded

the untrained native police were quoted by the Australians for their light losses when attacking the fairly strong German fortifications.


Losses according to Germans

Killed:

Germany 1 (white) 30 (natives)
Australians 8 additional 35 seamen from AE-1

Wounded:

Germany 1 (white) 12 (natives)
Australians 5 injured
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Re: Schutzgebiet Deutsch-Neuguinea 1914

Postby Chris Dale » 06 Jan 2009 23:33

Thanks for that great list of links Gregorus,

One that's worth seeing is the Australian War Memorial website at-

http://www.awm.gov.au/

It has the Official History of the War (as mentioned by Stulev above)-

http://www.awm.gov.au/histories/chapter.asp?volume=10

Also worth trying is serching their image database for "New Guinea" or similar titles-

http://cas.awm.gov.au/TST2/cst.acct_mas ... &bos=Win32

In the Australian Offcial History it lists the German forces organised as-

Total German Force
Kommandant Governor Haber (as the overall commander)
Unter-Kommandant von Klewtiz (as the military comander)
9 German Officers (2 Regular -von Klewitz and Meyer and 7 Reserve Officers)
52 German Reservists
240 Melanesian Polizeitruppe (half of whom were newly recruited and untrained)

They were deployed in preparation for the Australian invasion as-

Herbertshohe Garrison (Codename "Lüttich")
Commanded by Oberleutant Meyer
10 German Reservists
140 Melanesian Police

Bitipaka Garrison (Codename "Bebra")
Commanded by Hauptmann der Reserve Wuchert
8 German Reservists
60 Melanesian Police

Paparatava Garrison, near Toma (Codename "Samoa")
Commanded by Leutnant (or poss Oberleutnant) der Reserve Fiebig- he's referred to as a "Reserve Lieutenant" in English. Doesn't that equate to a German Oberleutnant? Or was this a translation error? I notice in another thread Gregorus, you called him Lt d. R.? Did you get that from a German source?
10 German Reservists
24 Melanesian Police

Raluana Garrison
Commanded by an unknown Naval Reserve Officer- does anyone know who this might be?
2 German Reservists
6 Melanesian Police

Other German Reservists and Melanesian Police scattered about the area as snipers, scouts and messengers.

These defences were all deployed to prevent the radio station falling into enemy hands. Rabaul was left mostly undefended.

I hope that helps.
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PS I should also mention that my own website http://www.germancolonialuniforms.co.uk shows the uniforms worn by the German reservists and also the New Guinea Polizeitruppe.... though I think in light of new discoveries I should ammend the short section on the History of NG in the First World War.

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Re: Schutzgebiet Deutsch-Neuguinea 1914

Postby Gregorus » 07 Jan 2009 22:42

"Die Polizeitruppe Deutsch-Neuguineas 1887-1914"

Der Oberbefehlshaber der Streitkräfte, Rittmeister von Klewitz, ließ die stärkste Abteilung
unter Oberleutnant Georg Mayer, bestehend aus 10 Europäern und 140 Melanesen, erst
einmal in Herbertshöhe. Die Funkstation Bitapaka schützten 10 Europäer und 75 Polizeisoldaten,
die unter dem Befehl von Hauptmann d.R. Wuchert standen. Eine dritte, aus 6 Weißen
und 20 Einheimischen bestehende Abteilung unter Leutnant d.R. Fiebig befand sich in Paparatava.
Beobachtungsposten lagen in Vunadadir und Raluana, eine Relaisstation in Tobera. Außerdem
waren in Toma noch einige Polizisten unter Leutnant d.R. Blumenthal stationiert.
Aufgabe der „militärischen Macht“ war es, die Funkstation vor einem Handstreich zu schützen.
Widerstand sollte nur solange geleistet werden, bis die Station zerstört war. Dann hatte
sich die Truppe nach Toma und von da aus immer weiter ins Landesinnere bis in die Bainingberge
zurückzuziehen.


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September 1914 The Bita Paka road.

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Re: Schutzgebiet Deutsch-Neuguinea 1914

Postby Chris Dale » 08 Jan 2009 00:54

Thanks for pointing that out... it seems the Australian records and German records, generally agree about the distribution of forces but some details are slightly different. I'm guessing with forces this small it is easy to count 10 men in a unit one day and six the next, if two are deployed as snipers, one is used as a messanger and another is sick (for example). So Lt. Blumenthal was in Toma... I thought he was on another island. It must be my bad memory. I'll try to find more information on him.

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Re: Schutzgebiet Deutsch-Neuguinea 1914

Postby Gregorus » 08 Jan 2009 22:41

What were the forces Polizeitruppe in Salomonen, Karolinen, Marianen, Palau, Nauru, Marshallinseln and Kaiser-Wilhelms-Land?
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Re: Schutzgebiet Deutsch-Neuguinea 1914

Postby Gregorus » 15 Jan 2009 07:52

Chris Dale wrote:Raluana Garrison
Commanded by an unknown Naval Reserve Officer- does anyone know who this might be?
2 German Reservists
6 Melanesian Police


Here is the answer to your question:

http://www.awm.gov.au/cms_images/histor ... ers/24.pdf
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Re: Schutzgebiet Deutsch-Neuguinea 1914

Postby Peter H » 15 Jan 2009 12:07

"A historian’s lot – The difficulties in giving WW1 New Guinean participants a voice?"

http://www.humanities.qut.edu.au/resear ... re_FIN.pdf

In contrast to Holmes and the later opinion of Hiery, Haber (1914, 19-21) continually derided the performance of the Native Police during the battle. While Haber (1914, 15) may have been looking for a scapegoat for the German loss; he does provide more evidence on why some of the New Guinean servicemen may not have been up to the task: “The food supplies for Europeans were ample in all parts of the old protectorate… (h)owever, on all sides there were only small quantities of rice on hand for the natives”.Nutritional deficiencies coalesced with the lack of motivation to fight for a colonial ruler, provides a reasonable and probable cause for the alleged incompetence of some of the New Guinean servicemen. The names of indigenous servicemen are not mentioned anywhere in Haber’s or von Klewitz’s letters. They are generally referred to as a collective of ‘natives’ or ‘coloured troops’.For Haber and von Klewitz, as they were inthe histories recorded by Mackenzie and Meade, New Guineans were incidental.

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Re: Schutzgebiet Deutsch-Neuguinea 1914

Postby Gregorus » 20 Jan 2009 22:18

What you know about:

...6 August 1914 (HMS Minotaur) bombarded German wireless station at Yap...

...on 12 August 1914 she (HMS Newcastle) bombarded Yap...


and what you know about S.M.S Planet?
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Re: Schutzgebiet Deutsch-Neuguinea 1914

Postby Gregorus » 20 Jan 2009 22:33

What think about a possible sinking AE 1 after strafe by K.G.S Komet? What you know about K.G.S Komet?

http://www.museum.wa.gov.au/collections ... Search.pdf
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Re: Schutzgebiet Deutsch-Neuguinea 1914

Postby Chris Dale » 20 Jan 2009 23:54

Gregorus wrote:What you know about S.M.S Planet?


Have a look at these links-

viewtopic.php?f=73&t=126298
viewtopic.php?f=73&t=139876

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