german China fighter in dutch colonial service??? !!! ???

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german China fighter in dutch colonial service??? !!! ???

Post by nonsolicedit » 27 Jan 2009 18:02

Hello all,

here is one of my photo rarities that I still have in the "riddle-corner" of my house... :wink: maybe someone of the colonial brains here can help me.... have a look please:

former german soldier with the china medal for the boxer uprising 1900/01 on his breast - BUT - what he wears seems to be a uniform for dutch colonial troops!!! Maybe someone can help me with the uniform or the helmet..... I know nothing about dutch troops (if he is one now...)

Photo is taken from D.Schooneboom in Harderwyk

On the reverse is written : Onkel Heinrich in Java !!!!

So, former german soldier with service in China in a foreign uniform photographed by a dutchman on Java - now it`s your turn please....

Any help is very welcome :)

thanks in advance
Heiko
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Post by nonsolicedit » 27 Jan 2009 18:10

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Re: german China fighter in dutch colonial service??? !!! ???

Post by Chris Dale » 01 Feb 2009 00:29

Hi Hieko,

I don't know very much about Dutch colonial uniforms, but he does look very simialr to this illustration from Blandford's "Military Uniforms of the World in Colour" by Preben Kannik which is described as "Dutch East Indies: Colonial Army Infantryman 1900.

I'm looking forward to seeing more photos from the "riddle-corner" of your house!

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Post by nonsolicedit » 01 Feb 2009 16:08

Hi Chris,

thank you - loks very close to the uniform of Onkel Heinrich :wink: Now I just need to know what makes this man serve for Holland..........

Are you shure you want to see the photos from my riddle-corner...? We need more space on this forum then... :)

Heiko

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Post by Chris Dale » 01 Feb 2009 21:31

Yes, the real riddle is why he would serve in the Dutch army? Possibly his previous experience in China made him useful to the Dutch to employ. Maybe he had specialist skills which the Dutch were happy to pay more for? Let us know if you ever find any more information on "Uncle Henry"!

Don't worry this forum has some big servers, so you can start posting your riddle cormer!

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Re: german China fighter in dutch colonial service??? !!! ???

Post by Tullius » 02 Feb 2009 21:26

Quotes from Wikipedia:

"The Royal Netherlands East Indies Army (KNIL)... was not part of the Royal Netherlands Army, but a separate military arm specifically formed for service in the Netherlands East Indies."

"The KNIL recruited Dutch volunteers, European mercenaries of other nationalities (especially Germans, Belgians and Swiss), native (South Moluccan, Timorese, and Manadonese) and even the Ashanti, an African tribe from the present Ghana for service in the East Indies."

Parts of the KNIL were send to China during the Boxer Rebellion.

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Post by nonsolicedit » 02 Feb 2009 23:50

very interesting information...thank you very much!!!

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Post by Mike Blake » 18 Feb 2009 16:05

At the risk of being accused of going OT, can I ask Tulluis a question, please? He says that 'Parts of the KNIL were send to China during the Boxer Rebellion'. Would he be good enough to flesh this out a bit more, and provide a source for this delightful piece of information, please? I ask because I am writing a book on the Boxer Uprising, and including a 'What-If?' chapter, about the other nations which could have been involved, and the Dutch are in this category as far as I was aware. To have some information that they actually sent troops during, as opposed to after, the BU, would be excellent.

Any info I can use will be acknowledged in the book, of course.

(I must publically thank Les White, Lone warrior, for alerting me to this post)

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Post by Tullius » 18 Feb 2009 21:42

Hmm. I adopted this from the German site in Wikipedia about the KNIL.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/KNIL

Only one sentence and no further information I fear. On second thoughts the sentence sounds as if the parts were send to guard the Dutch embassy.

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Post by Mike Blake » 19 Feb 2009 10:39

Many thanks. Yes, I do have information about Dutch troops sent after the BU to guard the legation. The source, a Dutch Military Museum booklet, has them as Marines though.

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Post by Chris Dale » 20 Feb 2009 02:35

Hi Mike,

Out of curiosity, which Dutch Museum made the leaflet? Might be worth a visit next time I'm over there.

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Post by Mike Blake » 20 Feb 2009 12:12

Hi Chris,

Of course - it is Zwiter, Dr HL. ‘Uniformen van Mariners’ in Armentaria, Aflevering 29, 1994. Leger Museum, Delft. The publication what looks like one of a series of annual reports by the museum, with a wide range of historical articles including one on the Marines with a colour plate.

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Post by Timm Haasler » 23 Feb 2009 19:21

The answer to the question can probably be found on this German homepage:

http://biographien.tsingtau.org/tsingta ... m-1921941/

Sorry, it is in German but mentions that at least 345 German POW's didn't return to Germany from Japan but went to Dutch-India. The link also mentions the fade of some of these men in WW 2; some of them became policemen in their new home land. If they were allowed to become policemen I think there was also no obstacle to become a soldier in the Dutch Army.

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