Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

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Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by arche-foto » 19 Nov 2019 17:43

Yes, I have saved the full pages.

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Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by seahound » 18 Jul 2020 06:08

Hi Chris, are you still looking for info regarding the location of some of the Korigsberg's guns?

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Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Chris Dale » 18 Jul 2020 18:52

Yes Seahound, if you have any please share it with us!
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Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by seahound » 18 Jul 2020 20:52

Hi Chris

In the book titled 'Konigsberg, a German East African Trader' by Kevin Patience, in Chapter 11 ‘Aftermath’ pages 158/9 it is noted what happened to some of the guns and photos are included.

The following two guns don't appear to have been mentioned by you, so may be of interest:

- A gun recovered at Kahe with a split barrel was displayed outside Government House in Dar es Salam (photo included in the book) for about a decade before it was removed and placed into storage in August 1934 – likely to have been scrapped.

- In the 1970’s there was a story of a game warden having found a gun in a river bed in one of Tanzania’s Park, but due to its remote locate the gun was left where it was.

I'm no expert on the subject, however I did find the book a most interesting read. If you are interested I may still have Kevin's email address as I did have an email exchange with him around the time I purchased the book.

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Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Chris Dale » 18 Jul 2020 21:33

Thanks Seahound, yes I've read that book and made notes on it. Thanks for bringing it up though.
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Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by arche-foto » 16 Apr 2021 07:32

Hallo,

Ich las gerade in

Schroeter, Helmut: "Die Eisenbahnen der ehemaligen Deutschen Schutzgebiete Afrikas und ihre Fahrzeuge", Verlag Verkehrswissenschaftliche Lehrmittelgesellschaft m.b.H., Frankfurt/M. 1961, S. 66

Eisenbahnwerkstätten Tabora:
"Die Herrichtung von Eisenbahngeschützen unter Benutzung von zwölf 10,5 Schiffsgeschützen des in der Rufidschimündung blockierten Kreuzers "Königsberg" geschah auch in Tabora."

Weiß jemand etwas darüber? Von Eisenbahngeschützen hab ich noch nie was gehört. Ich dachte bisher daß die 10,5 Geschütze in den Marine-Werkstätten in Daressalaam umgerüstet wurden. Tabora ist mir neu.

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Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Chris Dale » 16 Apr 2021 12:15

Hello Arche-Foto,

Yes, I've always read most work was done at Dar es Salaam. Perhaps some repairs at Tabora too. But there's a few problems in that sentence. The guns were not converted to railways guns and there were ten not twelve..

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Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Tanzania » 16 Apr 2021 17:02

Hallo Burkhart, Hi Chris,

German Railway-gun on the Central Railway? I know only:
The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles - Chapter 10: Phantom Train Of Doom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgWC0O7xwhA
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Funny story; - Indiana Jones and the British “Baron from Muenchhausen”; - Richard Meinertshagen.

The number of twelve x 10,5-cm Guns and also the description as clasical railway guns are misterious.
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Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Chris Dale » 16 Apr 2021 18:12

Ah yes, Young Indiana, a great first hand source of information! Hahaaa!
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Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Tanzania » 17 Apr 2021 07:53

Regarding arche-foto´s remark about railway guns, here is an addition to the 10.5-cm L/40 S.K. Gun
which was used on the Central-Railway at the Ussoke-Station, west of Tabora in 1916.

In the book (see below) there is an interesting photo of this gun on page 90, which we have already
discussed here in this thread. What is new, however, is the detailed description of the protagonist,
Brother Alfred (Jakob Brauchle), member of the White Fathers in GEA.

Page 90.jpg

The photographer of this `Königsberg-railway-gun`, Brother Alfred Leyendecker, was also a member
of the White Fathers in Ruanda / GEA.

In addition to the confirmation that the photo was taken in Ussoke, it is also new that the original on a
Glass-plate is still in Cologne today located. (Because of Corona no visit is possible at the Archiv)

Source: “Tarzan, ein Missionar und zwölf Askaris“, Ein Münsterländer auf den Spuren
der deutschen Vergangenheit in Ruanda, Hans-Ulrich Duwendag, agenda Verlag 2017.

https://agenda.de/produkt/hans-ulrich-d ... f-askaris/

Leseprobe: https://agenda.de/wp-content/uploads/Duwendag.pdf

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Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Tanzania » 17 Apr 2021 08:16

By the way, below Belgian Photos from Ussoke station. The clash between the `Force Publique´ and this
10,5-cm L/40 S.K. Gun was also confirmed in the book, below.

01_Ussoke.png
02_Ussoke.png

"La Campagne du Tanganika", Chapitre I, La situation au Tanganika (Fin 1915)
Par le Colonel du Génie, Georg Moulaert, L’Edition universelle, Bruxelles 1934
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Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Chris Dale » 17 Apr 2021 12:56

That's great information Holger, thank you!
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Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by arche-foto » 18 Apr 2021 15:53

Hello,

I have several original photos of some pictures shown here. The labeling on the backs might be helpful.

first: Kigoma
15-cm-geschuetz.jpg
kigoma_werkstatt_geschuetz_b.jpg
second: Daresssalam
koenigsberg-geschuetz_009_013.jpg
koenigsberg-geschuetz_009_013_b.jpg
My picture is very high quality, very good exposed, also inside full of details. The scale is real, maybe a circle 360.

so long
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Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by arche-foto » 18 Apr 2021 16:02

Here 2 details from the "goetzen" in Kigoma (no infos on the back):
goetzen_01.jpg
goetzen_02.jpg
The picture with the 2 8,8 guns on the Tangayikasea (page 21) is dated: october 18, 1914
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Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by arche-foto » 18 Apr 2021 18:02

Also for this picture I have more informations. Look at the high seat:

msalla_scheffelmeyer_georg_a.jpg
msalla_scheffelmeyer_georg_b.jpg
SCHEFFELMEYER, Georg ObHeizer / San. Corp. ?
II. Werft-Div., 2. Abtl. / verwundet bei der Zerstörung der Königsberg am 11.7.15 im Rufiyi Delta, brit. Kriegsgefangenschaft; 1917 im Lager DES jetzt San.-Unteroffizier
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